Well, it should probably be Monday, so that if we end up thinking about
something hybrid with Lit, we can convey that to them.
On 11/11/11 11:55 PM, "Cheek, Christopher F. Dr." <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>i can do either
>
>c
>
>
>On Nov 11, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Goodman, Eric wrote:
>
>> Monday morning at 10 am might be better.......
>>
>> On 11/11/11 11:44 PM, "Cheek, Christopher F. Dr." <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We had one discussion as a cohort on Wednesday morning, concerning
>>> hiring. We took a decision based on that discussion. The decision that
>>>we
>>> took was to request a Lecturer hire for Jody Bates in fiction.
>>>
>>> Other ideas are interesting and even opportune, however we have not
>>> discussed them as a cohort, nor have we voted on them. We need to be
>>>very
>>> clear and united in next Thursday's Department meeting. If there really
>>> is going to be another proposal then we need to meet again and discuss
>>> that proposal together with our extant proposal.
>>>
>>>
>>> cris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 10, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Goodman, Eric wrote:
>>>
>>>> Two items, linked and separate.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Kerry just sent along the agenda for the meeting, in which he
>>>> states
>>>> that hiring proposals will be coming from all three programs. I
>>>>know
>>>> for certain that Mary Fuller is retiring before next year, with Helane
>>>> Androne (from Middletown) taking over as head of OWP. I believe that
>>>> Jean Lutz is also planning to retire, quite possibly before next year
>>>>as
>>>> well.
>>>> 2) I've just returned from acting Dean Calahan's presentation to be
>>>> the
>>>> Dean, where I spoke to a couple of our colleagues in Lit. I think
>>>> there
>>>> would be real support for the idea of a Lit/CW hire, where the
>>>>watchword
>>>> in term of the new form that Phyllis has mandate is justifying the
>>>>hire
>>>> in
>>>> terms of need, etc, not just replacement. A new category within
>>>>ethnic
>>>> literature would be Indigenous Studies. That couple with someone who
>>>> could teach one of the genres in CW that we currently have trouble
>>>> staffing--Creative Nonfiction, Screenwriting, for example--would, in
>>>>my
>>>> opinion, stand a good chance of succeeding at the department and
>>>>college
>>>> level.
>>>>
>>>> Having said that, it would certainly need to be presented as in
>>>> second
>>>> place to a lecturer in fiction. But I certainly feel that such a
>>>>case
>>>> could and should be made.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>> On 11/10/11 4:42 PM, "Schloss, David Mr." <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Margaret,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the Right Stuff! See my rant on similar themes, but a mite
>>>>>less
>>>>> polite. We're drowning rats (or is that, mice?) fighting over crumbs
>>>>> while the powers that be luxuriate and laugh at us like (greek) gods
>>>>> for
>>>>> their sport... I'm glad I'm retiring in 2015. I've had about enough
>>>>>of
>>>>> this cringing for crumbs, and fighting amongst programs. If we'd only
>>>>> unionized back when... At least the population supports the unions
>>>>>now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rabble Rouser
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>>>>> [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Luongo, Margaret M. Ms.
>>>>> [[log in to unmask]]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:16 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>>>
>>>>> So, we are afraid of PW getting the only tenure track hire in the
>>>>> department, after they repeatedly reassured us last year that they
>>>>> wouldn't be seeking any tenure-track hires? Maybe we should remind
>>>>>them
>>>>> of that. It's true Huatong left, but I think everyone knew she was
>>>>>gone
>>>>> before all of the PW paperwork went through. Not sure about that,
>>>>> though.
>>>>> At any rate, they reassured us they wouldn't need to hire any new
>>>>> faculty
>>>>> to support their major. They went further, and said that they would
>>>>> only
>>>>> allow the major to grow as much as it could be supported by the
>>>>> resources
>>>>> they already had.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have to propose a tenure track position, so that the department
>>>>>can
>>>>> rank our request higher than theirs? Isn't it possible that the
>>>>> department could just vote their proposal down? Or just rank the
>>>>> lecture
>>>>> position higher than their tenure-track position? Aren't proposing
>>>>>the
>>>>> lecture position because we don't think the department will get any
>>>>> tenure-track hires?
>>>>>
>>>>> I see us losing if we propose both a lectureship and this hybrid
>>>>> position. It doesn't really make sense to say, yes, we need the
>>>>> lectureship and the hybrid thing. What if we end up with the hybrid
>>>>> thing? I'm open to discussing this. I just have a lot of questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Margaret Luongo
>>>>> Associate Professor, Creative Writing
>>>>> Department of English
>>>>> 356 Bachelor Hall
>>>>> Oxford, OH 45056
>>>>> 513-529-5221
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>>>>> [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Goodman, Eric
>>>>> [[log in to unmask]]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 3:53 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, I wish I'd known about this. There's been a good deal of
>>>>> discourse
>>>>> on the Lit list I've also been reading, and I'm not sure that the two
>>>>> I've mentioned, a lecturer, and the hybrid, are mutually exclusive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Part of the issue, is that there needs to be tenure track positions
>>>>>put
>>>>> forward by CW, perhaps, and Lit, certainly, otherwise only PW/Comp
>>>>>Rhet
>>>>> will be proposing one.
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Cheek, Christopher F. Dr."
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>> Reply-To: Faculty
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:46:36 -0500
>>>>> To: Faculty
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>> Subject: Fwd: Hiring
>>>>>
>>>>> imho and in support of Margaret and David here, i did inform the LIt
>>>>> cohort of our decision yesterday morning . in response to Kaara's
>>>>> question
>>>>>
>>>>> x
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> c
>>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: cris cheek <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>>> Date: November 10, 2011 2:35:26 PM EST
>>>>> To: "Peterson, Kaara L. Dr."
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>
>>>>>"[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>"
>>>>>
>>>>><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Breaking cover here, as one who is on the Lit elist and a member of
>>>>>the
>>>>> CW cohort .
>>>>>
>>>>> i can confirm that we decided at our CW cohort meeting yesterday
>>>>> morning
>>>>> to press forwards with a request to convert the VAP position,
>>>>>currently
>>>>> occupied by Jody Bates, into a lectureship - IF we can possibly
>>>>>do
>>>>> so. We have also been advised that it might be easier to get another
>>>>> VAP
>>>>> . . . but i cannot speak to that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Under those circumstances it makes good sense for Literature to
>>>>> identify
>>>>> its most pressing need. As an insider - outsider to the core
>>>>>Literature
>>>>> faculty (i teach Lit classes but that is not my foregrounded
>>>>>profile) i
>>>>> would support the needs outlined by Tobias here.
>>>>>
>>>>> In an ideal world a hybrid hire might seem attractive. However, this
>>>>>is
>>>>> far from an ideal world.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> cris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:11 PM, Peterson, Kaara L. Dr. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> To follow up on Andrew and Tobias, are we even absolutely certain
>>>>>what
>>>>> CW
>>>>> as a group's priorities are for this hire? Are *they* looking for a
>>>>> specific sub-genre, a tenure-track person, etc.?
>>>>>
>>>>> If the point is primarily to get a hire out of the dean for the good
>>>>>of
>>>>> the whole dept but really primarily for CW, then couldn't we make a
>>>>> stronger, united case for a hire if CW tells us first what they want
>>>>> prioritized and then we just simply throw all of our support behind
>>>>>it,
>>>>> benefitting as we may?
>>>>>
>>>>> all best, Kaara
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: English Dept Literature Faculty
>>>>>
>>>>>[[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Hebard, Andrew Dr.
>>>>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:40 PM
>>>>> To:
>>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>>>
>>>>> I also think that a hybrid position would be great, but am also a bit
>>>>> worried about how we are going to cover periods that the current
>>>>> organization of our major requires us to cover. A joint CW/Lit hire
>>>>> means
>>>>> that we are likely to hire someone working on 20th century
>>>>>literature,
>>>>> a
>>>>> period that we have pretty well covered. I am not saying that we
>>>>> shouldn't do this, but am wondering how it addresses our current
>>>>> staffing
>>>>> needs in literature.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/10/11 1:29 PM, "Morgan, Susan J. Dr."
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I absolutely agree with Mary Jean about the best shot.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: English Dept Literature Faculty
>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Corbett, Mary
>>>>>Jean
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:16 PM
>>>>> To:
>>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>>>
>>>>> I think "they" stand a much better chance if they include "us" in a
>>>>> more
>>>>> than perfunctory way...a cross-program hire is perhaps our collective
>>>>> best
>>>>> shot!
>>>>> mjc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/10/11 1:10 PM, "Kaara Peterson"
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I can vote for a CW hire still taking priority this year, however
>>>>>they
>>>>> want to
>>>>> frame it for their hire. If we benefit, great.
>>>>>
>>>>> all best, Kaara
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: English Dept Literature Faculty
>>>>>
>>>>>[[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Morgan, Susan J. Dr.
>>>>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:50 PM
>>>>> To:
>>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tobias and everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> Please do read that ³template² about hiring from Phyllis via Kerry,
>>>>> that I
>>>>> sent earlier.
>>>>> It is explicit that replacing someone will not be an effective
>>>>> argument, and
>>>>> that we need to produce a new statement, with some kind of evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would say that so far we have, in order:
>>>>> CW/ethnic American literature, particularly Latino/a or
>>>>> African/American
>>>>> literature (not exactly as a subfield, but Tobais¹s point is good).
>>>>> Long eighteenth century, with transatlantic
>>>>> Medieval
>>>>>
>>>>> And I plan to submit something Monday. Moreover, surely the dept.
>>>>> meeting is
>>>>> for discussion, not everything already set beforehand.
>>>>> Susan
>>>>>
>>>>> From: English Dept Literature Faculty
>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Menely, Tobias Coyote Dr.
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:31 AM
>>>>> To:
>>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>>>
>>>>> I would argue against overly specific hybrid positions. I think it's
>>>>> better to
>>>>> identify a broad and legible field/period and then add desirable
>>>>> subfields
>>>>> instead of boxing ourselves in with an overly specific combination.
>>>>>For
>>>>> example, the number of people doing 'transatlantic' eighteenth
>>>>>century
>>>>> studies
>>>>> is much smaller than the number of people working in the long
>>>>> eighteenth
>>>>> century, so why not seek a hire in the eighteenth century, with
>>>>> Romanticism
>>>>> and/or transatlanticism as a desirable subfield? Similarly, why not
>>>>> search for
>>>>> a fiction writer, but add as a desirable subfield ethnic American
>>>>> literature?
>>>>>
>>>>> Tobias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Corbett, Mary Jean wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That¹s what I had in mind, esp the two former...mjc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/10/11 9:46 AM, "Morgan, Susan J. Dr."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><x-msg://141/morgansj@
>>>>>mu
>>>>> oh
>>>>> io.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric has just pointed out that some sort of lit/cw hire would be
>>>>> fabulous if
>>>>> the field were latina/a or african american lit, perhaps even
>>>>>creative
>>>>> non-fiction, though the latter may be being too precise. S
>>>>
>>
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