According to NFPA's interpretation of 'exceptions' in the Life Safety Code,
battery-only powered detectors in hotels and dorms are not appropriate.
Battery-only powered detectors are allowed where they are specifically mentioned,
which is in LSC Chapters 20 & 21.
Dean Jones
Tarleton State Univ.
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> There are 6 messages totalling 350 lines in this issue.
>
> Topics of the day:
>
> 1. Pictures/News articles for residence hall fires (4)
> 2. 10 Year Detectors
> 3. FWD: 10 Year Detectors
>
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>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:04:36 -0500
> From: Randy Horman <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Pictures/News articles for residence hall fires
>
> Hello All,
>
> I am looking for news articles and or pictures of residence hall fires.
>
> I am working on a training program for students and part of the
> presentation will be to show pictures of fires. The format will be in
> power point, so if you have any pictures scanned that you would like to
> e-mail my way, I would really, really, really, appreciate it.
>
> I am also looking for news articles either from the net or the news paper
> that if you are able to send or fax over, I would still really appreciate
> it.
>
> I do have the campus fire information that has been sent out on the list
> here, I am sure there are more that I have not seen or has been passed
> along on here.
>
> I thank you all in advance, and hope you have a good day .
>
> -Randy-
>
> ___________________________________________________
> Randall L. Hormann [log in to unmask]
> Miami University 6 Hughes Hall (EHSO)
> Fire/Safety Specialist Oxford, Ohio 45056
> Fire Safety Inspector Office: 513-529-2461
> http://www.ehs.muohio.edu/ Fax: 513-529-2830
> Page me Via E-Mail: [log in to unmask]
>
> State: Fire Safety Inspector - Instructor (Ohio)
> Chair: International Assoc. of Campus Fire Safety Officials
> Member: Ohio Fire Chiefs Assoc., Fire Code Committee.
> Member: Ohio Fire Officials Association.
> Advisor:Sigma Alpha Epsilon - Fraternity.
> Advisor:Alpha Lambda Delta/Phi Eta Sigma - National Honor Society.
>
> ___________________________________________________
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:50:59 -0500
> From: Bob Bell <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Pictures/News articles for residence hall fires
>
> Hello All,
> If anyone is interested, the University of Georgia made available a video
> of a re-creation of a residence fire. This was about 7 or 8 years ago but I
> still use it in my training sessions to Residence Coordinators, Floor
> Seniors and Dons.
> This video, in VHS format, is very informative and stresses the need for
> immediate, orderly evacuation in the event of a fire emergency.
> It shows fire progression from 0 to 3 minutes and temperature increase from
> 70 degrees F. to 1500 degrees F. over that time span.
> I believe it was produced by the University of Georgia Administration, the
> Residence Administration and the University Drama Club. It is an excellant
> teaching aid and I would recommend it to anyone in our profession.
> BTW. The name of the video is "HOW FAST IT BURNED" and I assume that if it
> is still available, it may be purchased by contacting the University of
> Georgia Safety Department.
> Also, when I got my copy it was free for the asking. Unfortunately I can't
> say if that still holds true.
> Anyway, enjoy.
>
> Bob Bell
> Fire Safety Coordinator
> Dept. of Environmental Health & Safety
> Queen's University
> Kingston, Ontario
> Canada
> K7L 3N6 613-533-2999
>
> At 11:04 AM 2000-02-22 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hello All,
> >
> >I am looking for news articles and or pictures of residence hall fires.
> >
> >I am working on a training program for students and part of the
> >presentation will be to show pictures of fires. The format will be in
> >power point, so if you have any pictures scanned that you would like to
> >e-mail my way, I would really, really, really, appreciate it.
> >
> >I am also looking for news articles either from the net or the news paper
> >that if you are able to send or fax over, I would still really appreciate
> >it.
> >
> >I do have the campus fire information that has been sent out on the list
> >here, I am sure there are more that I have not seen or has been passed
> >along on here.
> >
> >I thank you all in advance, and hope you have a good day .
> >
> >-Randy-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >___________________________________________________
> >Randall L. Hormann [log in to unmask]
> >Miami University 6 Hughes Hall (EHSO)
> >Fire/Safety Specialist Oxford, Ohio 45056
> >Fire Safety Inspector Office: 513-529-2461
> >http://www.ehs.muohio.edu/ Fax: 513-529-2830
> >Page me Via E-Mail: [log in to unmask]
> >
> >State: Fire Safety Inspector - Instructor (Ohio)
> >Chair: International Assoc. of Campus Fire Safety Officials
> >Member: Ohio Fire Chiefs Assoc., Fire Code Committee.
> >Member: Ohio Fire Officials Association.
> >Advisor:Sigma Alpha Epsilon - Fraternity.
> >Advisor:Alpha Lambda Delta/Phi Eta Sigma - National Honor Society.
> >
> >___________________________________________________
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:47:27 -0500
> From: dgordner <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Pictures/News articles for residence hall fires
>
> One video I use most of the time is "Flashover-Countdown to Disaster". This
> video has always made an impact on the participants. "Get Out & Stay ALive"
> works real well also!!
>
> I did a fire safety training last night to about 18-20 in one of our dorms.
> The videos really had an impact. Ever since the Seton Hall Fire, I stress to
> the students that their safety is behavior based. Colleges & Universities can
> spend thousands of $$ of suppression & detection systems. However if they
> choose to ignore the systems warnings, they are not doing the students any
> good. After all isn't that what many trainings are for?? To change the
> behavior of our students.
>
> Also I have all training participants fill out a survey after each training. I
> ask them to grade me and the material. I get a lot of great feedback from
> these forms!!
>
> Doug Gordner, Life Safety Inspector
> Ithaca College Campus Safety
> Life Safety Division
> Ithaca, New York 14850
>
> (607)-274-1846
> (607)-274-1868 (fax)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:19:16 -0500
> From: "Cavanaugh, Mark" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Pictures/News articles for residence hall fires
>
> NFPA publishes School, College and University Dormitories and Fraternity
> and Sorority House Fires which is a compilation of various investigation
> studies. It can be obtained through their One-Stop Data Shop.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Horman [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 11:05 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Pictures/News articles for residence hall fires
>
> Hello All,
>
> I am looking for news articles and or pictures of residence hall fires.
>
> I am working on a training program for students and part of the
> presentation will be to show pictures of fires. The format will be in
> power point, so if you have any pictures scanned that you would like to
> e-mail my way, I would really, really, really, appreciate it.
>
> I am also looking for news articles either from the net or the news paper
> that if you are able to send or fax over, I would still really appreciate
> it.
>
> I do have the campus fire information that has been sent out on the list
> here, I am sure there are more that I have not seen or has been passed
> along on here.
>
> I thank you all in advance, and hope you have a good day .
>
> -Randy-
>
> ___________________________________________________
> Randall L. Hormann [log in to unmask]
> Miami University 6 Hughes Hall (EHSO)
> Fire/Safety Specialist Oxford, Ohio 45056
> Fire Safety Inspector Office: 513-529-2461
> http://www.ehs.muohio.edu/ Fax: 513-529-2830
> Page me Via E-Mail: [log in to unmask]
>
> State: Fire Safety Inspector - Instructor (Ohio)
> Chair: International Assoc. of Campus Fire Safety Officials
> Member: Ohio Fire Chiefs Assoc., Fire Code Committee.
> Member: Ohio Fire Officials Association.
> Advisor:Sigma Alpha Epsilon - Fraternity.
> Advisor:Alpha Lambda Delta/Phi Eta Sigma - National Honor Society.
>
> ___________________________________________________
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:49:27 -0500
> From: Michael Fox <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: 10 Year Detectors
>
> This summer, we are going to attempt to replace ALL 4500 of our existing
> single station smoke detectors with 10 year sealed lithium units to cut
> down on maintenance costs and nuisances due to low batteries. Has anyone
> else done this in their dorms? If so, what brand of detector are you using?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael Fox
> Dep. Fire Inspector
> Yale University
> Office of the Fire Marshal
> 314 Prospect Street
> New Haven, CT 06515
> voice: 203-432-9924
> fax: 203-432-8937
> email: [log in to unmask]
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:12:17 -0500
> From: Michael Fox <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: FWD: 10 Year Detectors
>
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> Running 110v power to every room in every dorm is way too cost prohibitive,
> especially with the architectural features of Yale buildings. Also, with 110v
> smokes, there is still the need to replace the 9v battery every year, which is
> the reason for going to 10 year batteries in the first place, less maintenance.
> It is much easier to just go around with a can of air and blow the dust out of
> a detector and push the button to test it vs. doing this AND replacing a 9v
> battery. You'd be surprized how much more time consuming it is to carry a
> ladder, batteries, etc. Plus we have hundreds of nuisance low battery alarms
> throughout the year, which arent only annoying for the students, but cost us
> thousands of dollars in overtime to replace the batteries on weekends/off
> shifts. We are a 7-5 M-F department. One more bonus is that the kids can't
> pull the batteries out when they have a party. They would have to actually take
> the smoke detector down. From an inspection standpoint, it's much easier to
> spot a missing smoke detector vs. a missing battery in a smoke detector.
>
> My friendly rebuttle
>
> MJF
>
> At 02:45 PM 2/22/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >This summer, we are going to attempt to replace ALL 4500 of our existing
> >single station smoke detectors with 10 year sealed lithium units to cut
> >down on maintenance costs and nuisances due to low batteries.
> >
> >Mike,
> >
> >Why don't you replace them with 110V local smoke detectors? I cant imagine
> >that they would cost much more than the 10 year sealed lithium units. Ony
> >other cost would be installation, but that is a one time cost.
> >
> >Doug Gordner, Life Safety Inspector
> >Ithaca College Campus Safety
> >Life Safety Division
> >Ithaca, New York 14850
> >
> >(607)-274-1846
> >(607)-274-1868 (fax)
>
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> <font size=3D3>Running 110v power to every room in every dorm is way too
> cost prohibitive, especially with the architectural features of Yale
> buildings. Also, with 110v smokes, there is still the need to replace the
> 9v battery every year, which is the reason for going to 10 year batteries
> in the first place, less maintenance. It is much easier to just go around
> with a can of air and blow the dust out of a detector and push the button
> to test it vs. doing this AND replacing a 9v battery. You'd be
> surprized how much more time consuming it is to carry a ladder,
> batteries, etc. Plus we have hundreds of nuisance low battery alarms
> throughout the year, which arent only annoying for the students, but cost
> us thousands of dollars in overtime to replace the batteries on
> weekends/off shifts. We are a 7-5 M-F department. One more bonus is
> that the kids can't pull the batteries out when they have a party. They
> would have to actually take the smoke detector down. From an inspection
> standpoint, it's much easier to spot a missing smoke detector vs. a
> missing battery in a smoke detector.<br>
> <br>
> My friendly rebuttle<br>
> <br>
> MJF<br>
> <br>
> At 02:45 PM 2/22/00 -0500, you wrote:<br>
> >This summer, we are going to attempt to replace ALL 4500 of our
> existing<br>
> >single station smoke detectors with 10 year sealed lithium units to
> cut<br>
> >down on maintenance costs and nuisances due to low batteries.<br>
> ><br>
> >Mike,<br>
> ><br>
> >Why don't you replace them with 110V local smoke detectors? I cant
> imagine <br>
> >that they would cost much more than the 10 year sealed lithium units.
> Ony <br>
> >other cost would be installation, but that is a one time cost.<br>
> ><br>
> >Doug Gordner, Life Safety Inspector<br>
> >Ithaca College Campus Safety<br>
> >Life Safety Division<br>
> >Ithaca, New York 14850<br>
> ><br>
> >(607)-274-1846<br>
> >(607)-274-1868 (fax)<br>
> </font></html>
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