Hi All,
This is just a reminder that a less restrictive listserv already exists and can provide a forum for open conversation on some of the questions and issues that Tom Slater raised in his message. You can find information about that listserv here:
http://lists.envirolink.org/pipermail/ohio-birds/2006-August/012966.html
You can also join directly by visiting the site below and follow the "join or leave the list" link:
http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/aahfieldconsultants.html <http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?SUBED1=aahfieldconsultants&A=1> <http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?SUBED1=aahfieldconsultants>
I hope this helps.
Thanks,
Casey Tucker
Columbus, OH
-----Original Message-----
From: Ohio birds on behalf of manon vanschoyck
Sent: Thu 11/30/2006 8:08 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
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Subject: Re: [Ohio-birds] Questions for posters and readers to ohio-birds
Here ! Here! DITTO!, Tom. I know plenty of people who have opted to leave
the ohio bird list over the years because folks are too serious and strict
and seem to have lost their "joie de vivre" and passion. Remember folks you
can have all the knowledge and letters after your name . But if you can't
share with your fellow man that knowledge what good is it?
I also would enjoy being part of a less stringent forum.
Thanks,
Manon Van Schoyck
Licking County
Founder /Executive Director
Ohio Nature Education
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Slater" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ohio-birds] Questions for posters and readers to ohio-birds
> Hello Bill:
>
> Restrictive? Another message list?
> Yes, I feel the general guidelines of ohio-birds are restrictive. I have
> looked far and wide for something that would permit me to ask questions
> re;
> birdhouse siting, feeding, identification, helping the sick bird etc. My
> wife and I have 120 acres here that are dedicated to birds specifically
> and
> wildlife generally. I have built and put out 12 Kestrel boxes but I do
> not
> know if I have sited them properly. Could there be any interference with
> the 28 Bluebird boxes scattered over 120 acres? I have 12 boxes for
> Screech
> Owls but only one box is acceptable to them. What can I do to attract
> more
> owls in general, Great Horned Owls specifically and any raptor? I am now
> retired and can devote more time to bird habitat development and nestbox
> construction and siting. I have a 140 years old barn that I am using as a
> source of White Oak for my birdhouses/boxes and want to make certain I am
> doing things properly. How can I reduce the hundreds of Brown-headed
> Cowbirds that plague me? As I write this there is a huge pack of Coyotes
> yipping and howling not 20 yards from my door; is a pack of Coyotes good
> for
> avian population? I think you get the idea about the number of questions
> I
> want to ask. It is easy to drive down the highway and say "I saw a
> Blue-headed Glumstopper today" and then type the sighting on the list. I
> **challenge** other birders to do what my wife and I do for all avian
> life;
> get out, climb trees, build nestboxes, make sure the rodent population is
> healthy for things like Owls and Kestrels, feed every bird you can.
> Please
> activate a general discussion list.
>
> Unwelcome?
> Not unwelcome but generally made to feel very stupid, extremely stupid. I
> do not drive around, binoculars in hand, looking for avian life. I put up
> habitat and build nextboxes. I dedicate 22 acres as totally untended
> forest
> so that my beloved woodpeckers will have a place to live. I've got 16
> feeding stations out where the birds can get to them. I mix ~10 lbs of
> suet
> per week. I purchase Black Oil by the pallet. I have ~1500 bu. of corn
> in
> the crib and the birds are welcome to every kernel of it. I **challenge**
> other birders to do what my wife and I do for birds You wanna sit fat and
> happy in your warm car looking for something awing? That ain't birding.
> (If you are limited by age or handicap that is entirely different.)
>
> Learning?
> Not really, only that it is important to rattle off a list of spotted
> birds
> like a machine gun.
>
> Topics?
> Please, nothing political. I have been an avid hunter for 58 years and I
> will never convince you that hunting is beneficial to wildlife and you
> will
> never convince me that hunting should be banned. Subject closed! Nothing
> on cats because I will respond in a manner that will alienate me forever.
> We suffer with people dropping off litters of cats, and dogs, along our
> road. A stopped car along our narrow, untravelled road is like a siren; a
> litter of cats or dogs will always appear shortly after the *mystery stop*
> on our road. I hope I have listed enough topics as grist for the
> discussion
> mill in other paragraphs. NO POLITICS please.
>
> Bill, I promise I will participate actively in a list that permits
> discussion of topics such as I have noted above. I promise to ask
> questions
> endlessly, ad nauseum. Thank you for the opportunity to voice my opinion.
>
> Cordially,
> Tom Slater
> [log in to unmask]
> Adamsville Ohio USA
>
> From: "Bill Whan" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Questions for posters and readers to ohio-birds
>
>
> Do you think Ohio birders need another statewide message list,
> other
> than this one? Do you feel the guidelines of ohio-birds unduly restrict
> the things you want to discuss? Before you answer in the affirmative,
> please check the guidelines at
> http://www.ohiobirds.org/publications/emaillist.php#guidelines , because
> they have recently been rewritten.
>
> Do beginners feel unwelcome here?
> Would you participate in a separate list to discuss perennially
> controversial topics---party politics, the ethics of hunting or pet cats
> outside, etc.?
>
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