Casey, et al.:
The federal laws controlling such collections grandfather in previous
collections -- as long as they are not transferred, sold or traded.
Probably by now most such old private collections have come to light,
but who knows! While OHS has not gotten any such collections in a decade
or two, in the past it was not uncommon for someone's grandfather to die
and the heirs trying to find a home for such collections -- which then
must be transferred to a public institution via the US Fish & Wildlife
Service. We have also received old bald eagle mounts that way, but
again, not for at least a decade plus now.
Bob Glotzhober
====================
Robert C. Glotzhober 614/ 298-2054
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Ohio Historical Society Fax: 614/ 297-2546
1982 Velma Avenue
Columbus, Ohio 43211-2497
Visit the website of the Ohio Historical Society at:
www.ohiohistory.org and check out our online collections catalog.
Visit the Ohio Odonata website at:
http://www.marietta.edu/~odonata/index.html
"The mark of a successful man is one that has spent an entire day on the
bank of a river without feeling guilty about it."
-----Original Message-----
From: Ohio birds [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Casey Tucker
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:22 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [Ohio-birds] Ruby-throated Hummingbird/Blue-gray
Gnatcatcher nests
Hi All,
I guess I was confused by the use of the phrase "private collections, or
otherwise," and saw it as an opportunity to do some education. I mean
why would someone have a private collection if permits were issued for
teaching, research, or rehab purposes only, which all seem like rather
public activities?
And given that collecting bird eggs and nests was a popular hobby at one
time which necessitated the creation of protection laws, I'm sure we'd
want to make sure new birders were aware that collecting nests and eggs
was no longer en vogue.
Additionally, I know that in my experience as an educator I have
encountered many individuals with questions about destroying, moving, or
collecting bird's nests, so there may be new birders out there who have
collected nests without necessarily knowing those nests were protected.
And as Allen Chartier pointed out, while a nest may seem abandoned it
may be potentially re-used in subsequent nesting seasons.
This seemed like a perfect opportunity to promote education about the
protection of birds and therefore needed some clarification.
By the way if anyone is interested this Sunday PBS will be airing a
documentary about hummingbirds on it Nature program. You can check out
some preview videos at this site:
http://tinyurl.com/ycz5499
Good Birding!
Casey
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:21:29 -0500
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [Ohio-birds] Ruby-throated Hummingbird/Blue-gray
Gnatcatcher nests
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Thanks to Casey for so quickly taking it upon himself to "clarify" my
> message. Please note, I asked for nests in "collections" - those would
> presumably be housed by individuals with the necessary permits to do
so.
> Sorry for not spelling that out in minute detail.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim McCormac
> Columbus, Ohio
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http://www.ohiobirds.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ohio birds [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Casey
> Tucker
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:42 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [Ohio-birds] Ruby-throated Hummingbird/Blue-gray
Gnatcatcher
> nests
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> I know there are a lot of new birders who subscribe to and read this
list so
> I thought I should clarify something in Jim's message.
>
>
>
> I'm sure Jim, as a representative of the Ohio Division of Wildlife,
did not
> mean to suggest that it was ok to possess gnatcatcher and hummingbird
nests
> in private collections. Both species and their nests are protected
under the
> Migratory Bird Treaty Act, which you can read more about here:
> www.fws.gov/pacific/migratorybirds/mbta.htm
>
>
>
> Nests can be obtained for different purposes with the proper state and
> federal permits, though the justification for the issuance of those
permits
> is usually limited to teaching or research purposes. If you do wish
to
> obtain the necessary permits you can find the state permit application
at
> this link: http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/Portals/9/pdf/pub326.pdf I'm
sure you
> can contact the US Fish & Wildlife Service to obtain the necessary
federal
> permit applications.
>
>
>
> Additionally, as representative of the Ohio Division of Wildlife, Jim
would
> be ethically obligated to uphold the policies of the Division of
Wildlife
> which would include enforcement of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act and
state
> wildlife protection laws. If you do possess nests you may want to
consider
> donating them to a public collection with the proper permits, like a
museum,
> university, or nature center which would bolster the nest collections
of
> those institutions.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Casey Tucker
>
> Columbus, OH
>
>
>
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> ******************
> > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:50:47 -0500
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [Ohio-birds] Ruby-throated Hummingbird/Blue-gray
Gnatcatcher
> nests
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am writing to see if anyone has or knows about nests of
Ruby-throated
> > Hummingbirds and/or Blue-gray Gnatcatcher that are in collections,
private
> > or otherwise. And if so, if it would be possible for me to borrow
the
> > nest(s).
> >
> >
> >
> > I am working with Ray Showman, who is an expert on lichens, to
document
> the
> > species composition of lichens that these two bird species use in
the
> > construction of their nests. Nests with some location data are best
- even
> > to the county level - but we would like to examine nests that lack
any
> sort
> > of collection information, too. We're most interested in Ohio nests,
but
> > would like to inspect any nests we can get our hands on. Nest
collections,
> > at least of these two species, seem to be fairly sparse in academic
> > collections, thus our attempt to cast a broader net.
> >
> >
> >
> > As you may or may not know, hummingbirds and gnatcatchers shingle
the
> > exterior of their nests with lichens, and bind the affair together
with
> > spider silk. Amazing construction jobs, really; I couldn't build one
of
> > those things with training from Martha Stewart and a doubling of my
> hand-eye
> > coordination.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lichens are organisms created by the symbiotic pairing of a fungus
and an
> > alga, and form those interesting scaly crusts that we see on tree
bark and
> > rocks. They are among the most sensitive easily observed organisms
in
> > regards to air quality; lichens disappear rapidly if pollution
becomes too
> > oppressive. These birds clearly use them in part for camouflage, as
> lichens
> > make their tiny cup nests look much like a bump on a branch, but
lichens
> > have some interesting chemical properties that may come into play.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, if you can put me onto some nests it would be highly
appreciated.
> We
> > don't have to significantly alter the nests to study them, so I can
return
> > them after the study. If you have any leads, please contact me
privately
> at
> > this e-mail address. Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim McCormac
> >
> > Columbus, Ohio
> >
> > Like nature? Visit my blog: http://jimmccormac.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Like birds? Join the Ohio Ornithological Society:
http://www.ohiobirds.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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