Casey,
I appreciate and support your intent to take advantage of a "teachable
moment". All I can say is that perhaps there's a little bit of semantics
here. If I were to get an educational permit to keep a hummingbird nest, to
enhance the programs I do in Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana, the nest would be
stored in my own home, so I'd consider that a "private collection" even
though the programs it is used for are public.
Allen T. Chartier
amazilia1(at)comcast.net
Inkster, Michigan, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Casey Tucker" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Ohio-birds] Ruby-throated Hummingbird/Blue-gray Gnatcatcher
nests
Hi All,
I guess I was confused by the use of the phrase "private collections, or
otherwise," and saw it as an opportunity to do some education. I mean why
would someone have a private collection if permits were issued for teaching,
research, or rehab purposes only, which all seem like rather public
activities?
And given that collecting bird eggs and nests was a popular hobby at one
time which necessitated the creation of protection laws, I'm sure we'd want
to make sure new birders were aware that collecting nests and eggs was no
longer en vogue.
Additionally, I know that in my experience as an educator I have encountered
many individuals with questions about destroying, moving, or collecting
bird's nests, so there may be new birders out there who have collected nests
without necessarily knowing those nests were protected. And as Allen
Chartier pointed out, while a nest may seem abandoned it may be potentially
re-used in subsequent nesting seasons.
This seemed like a perfect opportunity to promote education about the
protection of birds and therefore needed some clarification.
By the way if anyone is interested this Sunday PBS will be airing a
documentary about hummingbirds on it Nature program. You can check out some
preview videos at this site:
http://tinyurl.com/ycz5499
Good Birding!
Casey
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:21:29 -0500
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [Ohio-birds] Ruby-throated Hummingbird/Blue-gray Gnatcatcher
> nests
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Thanks to Casey for so quickly taking it upon himself to "clarify" my
> message. Please note, I asked for nests in "collections" - those would
> presumably be housed by individuals with the necessary permits to do so.
> Sorry for not spelling that out in minute detail.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim McCormac
> Columbus, Ohio
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ohio birds [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Casey
> Tucker
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:42 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [Ohio-birds] Ruby-throated Hummingbird/Blue-gray Gnatcatcher
> nests
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> I know there are a lot of new birders who subscribe to and read this list
> so
> I thought I should clarify something in Jim's message.
>
>
>
> I'm sure Jim, as a representative of the Ohio Division of Wildlife, did
> not
> mean to suggest that it was ok to possess gnatcatcher and hummingbird
> nests
> in private collections. Both species and their nests are protected under
> the
> Migratory Bird Treaty Act, which you can read more about here:
> www.fws.gov/pacific/migratorybirds/mbta.htm
>
>
>
> Nests can be obtained for different purposes with the proper state and
> federal permits, though the justification for the issuance of those
> permits
> is usually limited to teaching or research purposes. If you do wish to
> obtain the necessary permits you can find the state permit application at
> this link: http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/Portals/9/pdf/pub326.pdf I'm sure
> you
> can contact the US Fish & Wildlife Service to obtain the necessary federal
> permit applications.
>
>
>
> Additionally, as representative of the Ohio Division of Wildlife, Jim
> would
> be ethically obligated to uphold the policies of the Division of Wildlife
> which would include enforcement of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act and state
> wildlife protection laws. If you do possess nests you may want to
> consider
> donating them to a public collection with the proper permits, like a
> museum,
> university, or nature center which would bolster the nest collections of
> those institutions.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Casey Tucker
>
> Columbus, OH
>
>
> ****************************************************************************
> ******************
> > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:50:47 -0500
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [Ohio-birds] Ruby-throated Hummingbird/Blue-gray Gnatcatcher
> nests
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am writing to see if anyone has or knows about nests of Ruby-throated
> > Hummingbirds and/or Blue-gray Gnatcatcher that are in collections,
> > private
> > or otherwise. And if so, if it would be possible for me to borrow the
> > nest(s).
> >
> >
> >
> > I am working with Ray Showman, who is an expert on lichens, to document
> the
> > species composition of lichens that these two bird species use in the
> > construction of their nests. Nests with some location data are best -
> > even
> > to the county level - but we would like to examine nests that lack any
> sort
> > of collection information, too. We're most interested in Ohio nests, but
> > would like to inspect any nests we can get our hands on. Nest
> > collections,
> > at least of these two species, seem to be fairly sparse in academic
> > collections, thus our attempt to cast a broader net.
> >
> >
> >
> > As you may or may not know, hummingbirds and gnatcatchers shingle the
> > exterior of their nests with lichens, and bind the affair together with
> > spider silk. Amazing construction jobs, really; I couldn't build one of
> > those things with training from Martha Stewart and a doubling of my
> hand-eye
> > coordination.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lichens are organisms created by the symbiotic pairing of a fungus and
> > an
> > alga, and form those interesting scaly crusts that we see on tree bark
> > and
> > rocks. They are among the most sensitive easily observed organisms in
> > regards to air quality; lichens disappear rapidly if pollution becomes
> > too
> > oppressive. These birds clearly use them in part for camouflage, as
> lichens
> > make their tiny cup nests look much like a bump on a branch, but lichens
> > have some interesting chemical properties that may come into play.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, if you can put me onto some nests it would be highly
> > appreciated.
> We
> > don't have to significantly alter the nests to study them, so I can
> > return
> > them after the study. If you have any leads, please contact me privately
> at
> > this e-mail address. Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim McCormac
> >
> > Columbus, Ohio
> >
> > Like nature? Visit my blog: http://jimmccormac.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Like birds? Join the Ohio Ornithological Society:
> > http://www.ohiobirds.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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