Marie:

 Well said, and I couldn't agree more. Maybe birders do need a motto.

Lyn Miller
Cleveland Hts.


On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 8:08 AM, marys1000 <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Wow,
>
> So, If you don't agree with  "its getting to see the bird above all
> else" you are
> told you should consider leaving?  Absolutely not.
> Cynthia please don't leave this group or think that this is what
> everyone on here thinks.
> I can assure you,  I and others you will probably receive emails from
> privately, want you on this list
> and hope you feel free to voice your ideas about birds and bird watching
> freely.
>
> The birding community (and farmers, and Amish, name your group) is just
> a mix of people, people of all types and attitudes.  All groups have their
> share of saints and sinners and everything inbetween.  We all have
> different opinions about what loving birds comes down to.  Those
> opinions are all different and sometimes
> even different in words and action.  I've become increasingly aware over
> many years of bird watching that 'the birding community', whatever that is,
>  is not some homogeneous block of like minded people who put birds
> above all else.
>  I haven't actually felt  like part of the "birding" community in some
> time and am not concerned about it either.
> My Dad taught me two things, 'watch what people do, not what they say'
> and 'only you can be responsible for and hold on to your integrity'.
>
> In no way am I saying don't share, but you can share with some caution
> and limitations to ensure the bird isn't
> impacted by people any more than they already are.  And if sharing can't
> be done without impacting the bird there shouldn't be any guilt
> about not sharing.  Hikers have Leave no footprints, Physicians Do no
> harm.  Do birders need a motto?
>
> What is wrong with setting up some viewing times?  Bringing people
> out in small groups?  Not using calls?  Why is it such a crises for
> people to not see the bird?
> You travel, you take your chances.  If you want a guarantee go to a zoo.
> It doesn't matter whether or not the bird is breeding, or is going to
> move on.  It has a right to migrate, eat, rest up in
> some peace.  Isn't it bad enough we've taken away so much of their
> habitat and put up so many obstacles
> to migration?  How about we not add insult to injury!?
> Who wouldn't feel better about the situation and themselves if they went
> hoping to see the bird but didn't
> because it was not being harassed?  And the elation that comes when
> patience and luck shows you the bird
> in its own time, living its life as it should be allowed to?
>
> I feel like those boys doing the tours got a real bad example of how to
> treat birds.
>
>
> Marie,  Fairborn
>
>
> On 6/15/2014 12:02 AM, OHIO-BIRDS automatic digest system wrote:
>
>> Date:    Sat, 14 Jun 2014 21:45:27 -0400
>> From:    Wes Hatch<[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Fwd: [Ohio-birds] Some Thoughts On Rural Birding Rarities
>>
>> Cynthia,=20
>>
>> They either cut the entire patch or let the patch alone. Eventually the
>> bird=
>>   is going to migrate as they don't breed here. They might as well let as
>> man=
>> y people either see or here this very secretive bird so they don't have
>> to d=
>> isrupt the others on there breeding grounds. These farmers are special in
>> th=
>> at they are willing to share there rarities with the locals. This family
>> is h=
>> osting people from around the state and out of the state to see this
>> bird, j=
>> ust like their friends in the past have done for other rarities.
>>
> If you don'= t believe in the sharing of birds you shouldn't be a part
> of this list serve= . Wes Hatch Sent from my iPhone
>
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