yeppers... I lived in Vermont through the beginning of that, and saw the
raw soil run down the hills and made erosion ruts, then valleys,  and no
one stood up for the land... it's coming to NE Ohio, folks, and thanks
to the "amazing prophet Leroy Younger" parks consultant who blew through
NE Ohio two years ago and set the entire northeastern tier of metroparks
districts on the track that PROFITS not conservation was the future
(Mill Creek MP in Youngstown included in this mess too), well, if you're
a birder, you just became a non-person.... (nature photographers,
hikers, wildflower lovers, others...  you're included in the exclusion
too....)

Bob Hinkle




On 8/5/2014 3:53 PM, Lisle Merriman wrote:
> . . . and I will add (crabbily) what I saw happening in Vermont woods
> with ATVs and what they call "snow machines" (snow mobiles) -- UGH
>
>
> *From:* bob hinkle <[log in to unmask]>
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:18 PM
> *Subject:* [Ohio-birds] Geauga County Parks - Frohring Meadows and
> Meetings to Discuss the Future
>
> Not to put too fine a point on it, but look up the enabling legislation
> that created metropolitan park districts in Ohio in 1917, and you will
> discover that conservation is a primary reason for being, with
> recreation second....  there's a great old saying about this....
> "...once you let the camel's nose under the tent, you will soon have the
> whole camel..." I've seen the mountain bike folks go from "..oh please,
> just a little 18 inch bike path and we'll monitor it and it won't
> disturb anything" to "mountain bike races through the pristine forests"
> and a four-foot mudhole trail with multiple  jumps in less than two
> years.....  is THIS what you want for neotropical migrants??
>
> Bob Hinkle
> (forbidden now to say that I was Chief Naturalist of a certain large
> regional park district for 30 years, but you know which one that was)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/5/2014 2:38 PM, Sameer Apte wrote:
> > Dear Ken and others,
> > While this may be true, the proposed amendments imply a wish to allow
> > motorized vehicles and oil drilling to occur in Geauga parks. The oil
> > drilling especially indicates that the county is utilizing their
> parks as
> > more of a source for profit than one of either recreation or
> conservation.
> > It is imperative that such habitat as Frohring (which provides one
> of the
> > only nesting sites for VIRA in the Greater Cleveland area) is not
> exploited
> > for such purposes that could disrupt the native ecosystem.
> > I have absolutely no problem with geocaching, mountain biking, or trail
> > running. They are fantastic activities that DO introduce people to
> nature
> > in a way that does not disrupt habitat. However, activities which may
> > destroy fragile breeding environments found in said parks are an
> > unacceptable way of citizen appeasement for the Geauga County council.
> > Good birding,
> > Sameer Apte
> >
> >
> > On 5 August 2014 11:04, Ken Andrews <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> >
> >> Because of some recent posts here about a viewing platform at Frohring
> >> Meadows, I sent an email to the Geauga County Parks.
> >> No definite plans are in place yet for a platform. I was also told
> about he
> >> meettings and told that all suggestions are welcome for the parks.
> >> I was sent a link to the Meeting Schedule. It says "All are
> welcome". It
> >> has
> >> locations and dates/times.
> >>
> >> http://www.geaugaparkdistrict.org/whats-new.shtml#townhalls
> >>
> >>
> >> Through recent experiences with my local metroparks I have found
> that the
> >> main focus of most county metropark systems is recreation for
> people. That
> >> may include birding. But, conservation is usually something that takes
> >> place
> >> just because the parks are there. Little land or no land is set aside
> >> exclusively for wildlife. Just look on a map and find places like the
> >> Audubon Sanctuaries. They are for wildlife. They limit recreational
> use.
> >> But, the county metroparks are for people to enjoy in various ways.
> >> Wildlife
> >> may benefit. There may be educational programs about wildlife. But,
> land
> >> use
> >> is mostly for people. Decades ago when people went to the local
> parks to
> >> enjoy them, they usually went for a picnic or a hike. Now, there are so
> >> many
> >> other activities like geocaching, mountain biking, trail running, etc.
> >> These
> >> newer activities may have a heavier impact on the limited land.
> >>
> >> I am not being critical of the local metroparks. We are VERY lucky
> to have
> >> them. But, things aren't what they used to be.
> >>
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