You are certainly right about that, Haans.  If a person wasn't in "the inner circle" there was no information flowing, until it was ".....so did you see the xxxxxx last week?"  And I have many stories to tell about watching poor newcomers attending their first "Cleveland area spring bird walk series" and never being welcomed by any of the "regulars"... And then the group lamented the lack of new birders....

Bob Hinkle, solon ohio


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> On Dec 2, 2014, at 7:18 PM, Haans Petruschke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> The "good old days" were not so good.  The bad behavior went in a different
> direction. Very difficult to be admitted into the privileged group who got
> called when there was a rare bird. I can relate the story of Ohio's 2nd
> Ross's gull to the group and how I was at HBSP and the people watching the
> gull saw me,(I did not see them) recognized me, but no one had called me
> (the days of land lines) and no one came over to tell me about the bird
> Need I mention Ohio's first Calliope Hummingbird in Portsmouth? And why
> that bird was only seen by a few people.
> 
> The difference today it there are a lot more people involved in this
> activity and as a result a larger range of behaviors. Mostly people being
> the way people are.
> 
> I think the common thread I have seen in this discussion is in the old days
> people learned appropriate behavior on organized bird walks. Today those
> walks still exist but attendance is a fraction of what it once was, so
> there is no socialization process for birder to learn through.
> 
> So it is up to us as individuals to do the socialization that was once done
> in a group.  That can be difficult and takes some minerals so to speak.
> 
> Haans
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Jon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>> There is a lot of interesting stuff here being discussed.  First off, I
>> would like to say that I had 26 species today on my old reliable walk of
>> the Beaver Marsh in the CVNP.  The highlight being a Yellow-bellied
>> Sapsucker.
>> 
>> I find it fascinating just how much of an undercurrent of dislike for
>> human beings runs through so much of these conversations.  I do not think
>> that I have ever been around a group of people who so clearly did not like
>> people, at least the ones that they can label easily.  It’s funny, while I
>> am generally introverted and prefer to spend time alone on the trail, I

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