My thoughts....ask them if they are members/followers...and if they are,
ask if they are going to post it, then ask them why not...I have.  You will
be surprised at the answers.

Steve J.
On Aug 16, 2015 8:11 AM, "Jon" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> This is what appeared in my inbox yesterday morning….the day referred to
> in Bob’s email:
>
> "Piping Plover spotted at Sandspit early this morning and now at Conneaut
> Township Beach. 820AM. A variety Peeps along with Pectoral Sandpiper and
> Yellow-leggs are seen as well.
>
>
> Mark Shaver
>
> Geauga County"
>
>
> So, the question is if this is or is not a report on OHIO BIRDS?
>
> Here are some sincere questions that I am interested in knowing:
>
> Does each person who sees the bird (regardless of how they heard about it)
> have a responsibility to report on OHIO BIRDS?
>
> Is it not sufficient to presume that if you do not see a NEGATIVE report
> on OHIO BIRDS that the birds is likely still present?  Particularly in
> light of the overall rarity of a species such as a PIPL?  I almost always
> see negative reports when a rare bird takes off, which demonstrates that
> most birders try to help others avoid chasing a bird that has departed.
> Even in light of a negative report, many birders still make an attempt
> knowing that birds may move around and come back to places frequently
> before actually moving on.
>
> Finally, I happen to know some EXCELLENT birders who almost never report
> any sightings on any source and have been birding for many, many years.
> Are they also part of this “new breed of birder” that is being referred
> to?   Some folks report and some do not.  Some younger birders are
> primarily interested in social media versus an email listserv.  It seems to
> me to be a value judgment that one is better than another.
>
> I strive to report my sightings in multiple places, but sometimes I am out
> birding and do not want to stop what I am doing to type out an email or
> social media post on my phone in the field being attacked by mosquitoes or
> in the blazing sun.  Still, I almost always do report birds of note, even
> when I have made an incorrect ID and have to retract that.  That last point
> is also important…many birders are afraid to report anything out of fear
> that their ID is wrong.
>
> I guess I am trying to convey that this is more complex than some kind of
> generational lack of respect for an established process.
>
> Regardless, I respect Bob’s skills as a birder and his willingness to
> speak out on what he values.
>
> Happy birding!
>
> Jon Cefus
> Cuyahoga Falls
>
> “Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from
> the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent
> disinclination to do so.”
> -Douglas Adams
>
> > On Aug 15, 2015, at 10:02 PM, robert lane <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yesterday, the Ohio birding community was made aware of the easily found
> Piping Plover at The Conneaut Sandspit on OHIO BIRDS. Today, Saturday,
> numerous individuals were successful in seeing this bird, as could be seen
> on other social media sites. I have noticed that only one birder posted
> their conquest on OHIO BIRDS. It disappoints me that OHIO BIRDS is used to
> gather bird sightings, but very seldom does the new breed of birder give
> anything back by posting useful information to OHIO BIRDS. If you use the
> posted information, you should  be responsible enough to contribute in
> return.
> >
> > Bob Lane / Mahoning County
> >
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