Is there any place we can view these submitted reports? And in my opinion
as if it matters when your dealing with thousands of gulls on a landfill
shooting a couple, few hundred is not going to help with your gull problem.
They should just be looked at as part of the job. Learn how to duck and
dodge. What do they do about the millions of blackbirds or hundreds of
pigeons?
Bird On!!!

Eric Elvert
Dayton, ohio
On Jan 21, 2016 10:44 AM, "Jon Cefus" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> How would you propose that our "wonderful government" enforce theses laws?
>
> I find it interesting how the need for regulation of corporations has
> swung full circle to criticism of the body whose job it is to try to keep
> the wolves out of the pasture.  Particularly in light of the blatant
> efforts of huge money interests to undermine these regulations at every
> opportunity.
>
> We need to work hard to not throw out the baby with the bath water.
>
> Jon Cefus
>
> A birder who does not know his 2nd cycle HEGU from his 3rd, but does know
> something about the politics of driving buses off of cliffs.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 21, 2016, at 10:11 AM, John Herman <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Gulls, especially in winter, often frequent landfills. Landfill managers
> > can obtain a federal permit to shoot a specified number of gulls. Gulls
> > deficate on landfill property and are accused of spreading landfill
> > materials to areas outside the landfill. I believe the wind causes more
> > materials to be moved about than gulls do.
> > These federal permits state which species of gulls can be shot and how
> > many. A report is required to be submitted to the feds. listing numbers
> and
> > species shot. With large gulls taking 4 years to obtain adult plumage, I
> > believe the majority of individuals doing the shooting can not identify
> > species.
> > Not surprisingly, the species listed on the report are the ones allowed
> by
> > the permit.
> > With lesser black-backed gulls increasing their occurrence at landfills,
> I
> > would not be surprised immatures and others have been shot. Last winter a
> > lot of great black-backed gulls and lesser numbers of glaucous gulls
> showed
> > up at landfills. Undoubedly, some of some gulls, especially the
> immatures,
> > get shot.
> > I doubt the dept. of interior is concerned if gull species are shot that
> > are not permitted to be such, on the permit.
> > There is no enforcement of the limitations the  permit requires.
> > Our "wonderful" government at work.
> > John Herman
> >
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