Bill,
I personally hope you continue posting here.  You often provide interesting
and more in depth information about birds beyond the what, where and when
information that many, including myself, tend to post.

I think your "Awareness" statement very much applies to many birders and
didn't take it as intended to insult listers per se but more as a statement
about the lack of discussion of thoughtful in depth information about
species on this forum as time goes on.  Maybe I had that perspective
because I'd read through the thread about that specific topic - hearing
from long time users about how the listserv has changed - not too long ago.

Anyway, I just wanted to throw a positive out there for all to see after so
much negative.
I hope we can all continue to post, share, discuss, and enjoy birds on here
together.

Respectfully to everyone,
Kristen Stillwell





On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Bill Whan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Alex--
>        Jeremy took offense at a few words I wrote a couple of days ago:
> "Awareness of such things is something the average lister often lacks,"
> referring to some interesting information Casey Tucker supplied to the
> list. You agree with him that my remarks were grievous put-downs of
> other birders: words he used included "sneak," "snide," "ludicrous,"
> "berating," and you used words like "pestering," "bringing down," "flat
> out bad," "hostile and rude," "crazy," and "wrong."
>        I don't know how to explain this. If I had written "birders"
> instead of
> "listers" might the reaction might have been less
> venomous?  Are my contributions to this list so offensive to so many
> readers? I think I have made many contributions to the study of Ohio
> birds, and I don't think I've used any of the words quoted above, but
> their use by others makes me reconsider participating in this forum.
> Bill Whan
> Columbus
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3/24/2016 10:54 AM, Alex Eberts wrote:
>
>> I strongly agree with Jeremy's sentiment. I enjoy a knowledgable
>> discussion as much as the next guy, but constantly using this as a
>> platform to sneak in a snide comment berating listers as being less
>> skilled birders is simply ludicrous. Being a birder and being a
>> lister are most definitely not mutually exclusive, and I think it's
>> high time they stopped being treated as such.
>>
>> Bird on!
>>
>> Alex Eberts
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:25 AM, jeremy <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill Whan,
>>>
>>> I was reading an interesting subject about the possibility why
>>> Red-headed Woodpeckers might not be in a certain place and you
>>> quickly decided to take this subject and single out listers. By
>>> pestering or bringing down people through this list serve is flat
>>> out bad for birding. You are the reason people might be afraid to
>>> contribute something to this listserve. You come off hostile and
>>> rude. I'm a new birder(less than 2 years), I jumped into this with
>>> the idea of "how many species can I see" aka listing. I consider
>>> myself a birder and a lister. I don't care if you watch birds in
>>> your backyard or travel to see a "rare" bird we all need to stick
>>> together. To say that listers are less knowledgable is kind of
>>> crazy to me. I love an interesting discussion about bird
>>> distribution and I also love a rare bird sighting but you always
>>> saying how listing doesn't bring good to birds is wrong. We
>>> contribute in so many ways. Please take that into consideration the
>>> next time you want to single out a specific group of birders.
>>>
>>> Bird on!
>>>
>>> V/r
>>>
>>> Jeremy Dominguez Greene Co. Ohio
>>>
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