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    On Thursday, March 10, 2016 11:51 PM, "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
 

 I'm not trying to get into an argument, Bill, but you're original post may not mention the ABA, but it does emphasize listing - reread it.
 

    On Thursday, March 10, 2016 5:15 PM, Bill Whan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
 

 Carlton--
    I never mentioned the ABA in my initial post; maybe I should have, but 
the point was that Greenland has been ignored by the official map of 
North American ornithology in certain ways, and that the AOU's change of 
opinion about it will present some interesting possibilities. It was 
silly to have treated this landform for so many years as if it were part 
of Europe. The new AOU Checklist--which ABA has always followed in 
drawing its outlines, by the way--should be out this May. I'll bet the 
folks at the ABA will follow suit, and are already preparing the new ABA 
borders.
    Your suggestion that the ABA--which promotes birding worldwide after 
all--is all-important for listing purposes is a trifle nationalistic, 
and your assumption that interests in birds (even by the ABA) 
preeminently amount to accumulating species on personal lists--may not 
be as universal as you think...
--BIll W
    
On 3/10/2016 3:50 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> You're right, Bill, I had no thought whatsoever to exile Canadians.
> Look, the AOU area includes many areas that are not part of the ABA
> area.  Just because Greenland may be added to the AOU area is
> absolutely no reason to think it would be included in the ABA area.
>> From the AOU website -
> The geographic area covered includes: North and Middle America from
> the North Pole to the boundary of Panama and Colombia, including the
> adjacent islands under the jurisdiction of the included nations; the
> Hawaiian Islands; Clipperton Island; Bermuda; The West Indies,
> including the Bahama Islands, the Greater Antilles, Leeward and
> Windward Islands in the Lesser Antilles (ending with Grenada); and
> Swan, Providencia, and San Andrés Islands in the Gulf of Mexico. -
> See more at:
> http://www.americanornithology.org/content/aou-checklist-north-and-middle-american-birds-7th-edition-and-supplements#sthash.BabIq0EI.dpufThe
> geographic area covered includes: North and Middle America from the
> North Pole to the boundary of Panama and Colombia, including the
> adjacent islands under the jurisdiction of the included nations; the
> Hawaiian Islands; Clipperton Island; Bermuda; The West Indies,
> including the Bahama Islands, the Greater Antilles, Leeward and
> Windward Islands in the Lesser Antilles (ending with Grenada); and
> Swan, Providencia, and San Andrés Islands in the Gulf of Mexico. -
> See more at:
> http://www.americanornithology.org/content/aou-checklist-north-and-middle-american-birds-7th-edition-and-supplements#sthash.BabIq0EI.dpufAOU
> Checklist of North and Middle American Birds (7th Edition and
> Supplements) | American Ornithology The geographic area
> coveredincludes: North and Middle America from the North Pole to the
> boundary ofPanama and Colombia, including the adjacent islands under
> the jurisdiction ofthe included nations; the Hawaiian Islands;
> Clipperton Island; Bermuda; The WestIndies, including the Bahama
> Islands, the Greater Antilles, Leeward andWindward Islands in the
> Lesser Antilles (ending with Grenada); and Swan,Providencia, and San
> Andrés Islands in the Gulf of Mexico.The geographic area covered
> includes: North and Middle America from the North Pole to the
> boundary of Panama and Colombia, including the adjacent islands under
> the jurisdiction of the included nations; the Hawaiian Islands;
> Clipperton Island; Bermuda; The West Indies, including the Bahama
> Islands, the Greater Antilles, Leeward and Windward Islands in the
> Lesser Antilles (ending with Grenada); and Swan, Providencia, and San
> Andrés Islands in the Gulf of Mexico. - See more at:
> http://www.americanornithology.org/content/aou-checklist-north-and-middle-american-birds-7th-edition-and-supplements#sthash.BabIq0EI.dpuf
>
>
On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 10:38 AM, Bill Whan 
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> Surely you don't mean to exile Canadians from the ABA, or Canada
> from the ABA area? Do you really think the ABA would ignore the
> AOU's decision if they add Greenland to its area? I just dug around
> in my files, and found the "Report of the ABA Checklist Committee,"
> from Chan Robbins in 1979 (Birding Dec 1979, p 294), which included
> the following: "The advantages and disadvantages of expanding the ABA
> area to include Greenland and Bermuda were considered, but there was
> insufficient support to include these islands in the forthcoming
> revision." Remember Prince Edward Island! Bill W
>
> On 3/8/2016 9:45 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>> USA birders aren't going to care very much about this change, IMO,
>> since it's the ABA area that's all-important for listing purposes,
>> not the AOU area.
>>
>> So, no additional arctic gear purchased etc Carlton
>> SchooleyStrasburg, OH
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 7, 2016 12:38 PM, Bill Whan
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I wonder if I was the last to learn that Greenland once was part
>> of the AOU Area, then was removed, and next AOU Checklist will
>> restore Greenland to the Area. This makes sense for many reasons,
>> but listers will be especially interested. There is an intriguing
>> list of the birds of Greenland on Avibase. And lots of useful work
>> can still be done, as this list omits a species I recently held in
>> my hand at the Museum, complete with a Greenland tag. Think of all
>> the distribution maps that now must be redrawn, field guides
>> rewritten, all the new empty spots in personal checklists, all the
>> arctic gear you'll need... Bill Whan Columbus
>>
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