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Thu, 17 Mar 2016 13:15:55 -0400
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Steve--
        This stuff is invisible to me, but it sounds like going too far. I
would like to see some of these "critiques" and "ridicules", and I
promise to do something about them if I find them equally offensive. A
little sunlight can do a lot.
Bring 'em on, and don't forget including the sources!
Bill W
On 3/16/2016 10:50 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> The reason why it has gotten thin is very simple.  People on the list seem
> to take it upon themselves to critique other's posts off list.  Private
> emails and the like from those NOT moderating, made people think that their
> opinions were invalid...or not wanted.  The format of how someone who was
> new to online posting was ridiculed to the point where he would rather post
> on Facebook.  The attitude of birders in the field also throws people off,
> if someone on the list is...grumpy shall we say...out in the field, it
> throws a bad light on the whole list.
>
> It is hard for people like me to tell people they need to sign up and post
> sightings, when they tell me that they used to till someone started
> complaining...
>
> I could go on, but Day shift calls.
>
> Steve J
> On Mar 16, 2016 10:23 AM, "Haans Petruschke" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> 15 years ago was back when Vic owned the list and actively moderating it to
>> stay within the allowed subjects.  The discussion could be pretty wide
>> ranging as it related to wild birds including habitat and conservation and
>> or birding in Ohio and the immediately adjacent contiguous geography.  From
>> my perspective it was more oriented toward general ornithology, and
>> sometimes acceptable discussions got pretty wide ranging and very
>> interesting.  The sorts of thing that draws complaints and hate mail today.
>>
>> Today the list is mostly about reporting sightings and has little lively
>> discussion about habitat or ecology. Most of the fun has been sucked out of
>> it by those with commercial interests, and those afraid of critical posts
>> perhaps having an adverse effect on fundraising efforts.
>>
>> As a result of the above you seldom or never see much that involves
>> discussion of any topic that might be controversial, and when there is the
>> responses tend to be thin skinned.
>>
>> Those are my observations based upon 20 years or so of being a subscriber
>> and contributor.
>>
>> Haans
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Bill Whan <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Subject: Evolution of this list
>>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:31:29 -0400
>>> From: Bill Whan <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>> Without commenting much about them, I attach an old slice of posts to
>>> this list from about 15 years ago. I would be interested to hear what
>>> readers--folks who wrote and read during those years, and those who have
>>> done so only recently--think about them.  I would be interested what
>>> folks think about how posts to ohiobirds have changed since then,
>>> perhaps some ideas about why, and if you think the exchange about
>>> knowledge and news has changed, and if so how. Read them and see...
>>>
>>> http://web.archive.org/web/20020627225530/http://aves.net/archives
>>> /default.htm
>>>
>>> Bill Whan
>>>
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