I suggest that the question has been answered,  and that any more
discussion on the matter is just dragging us down as a group...bird on!
On Apr 6, 2016 12:04 PM, "Dan Kramer" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> When in doubt, refer to the American Birding Association's Code of Ethic:
> http://www.aba.org/about/ethics.html   'Nuff said?
>
> Dan Kramer
> Bolivar, OH
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ohio birds [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Alex
> Eberts
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 11:06 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [Ohio-birds] Great Horned Owl Roost Sites
>
> The reason to feel offended is because all photographers get lumped into
> the
> same group of unethical and rude people when it isn't the case for the
> majority. Speaking out on bad behaviors is one thing, but making an
> overgeneralization about a group of people and lumping all photographers
> into it is rude and arrogant. Just because someone chooses to look through
> a
> camera rather than binoculars doesn't make them any less of a birder. Speak
> out against the behavior, not the people.
>
> Alex Eberts
>
> > On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Sewell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > The Greenlawn Cemetery owl nest has been published in the Dispatch, so
> > noting its existence on Ohio Birds is not likely to be detrimental.
> > However, the original question was about owl roosts, which is different.
> > You can go to a spot where owls are reported to roost and never see
> > them (I've done it countless times).
> >
> > In terms of photographers and behavior, there's a reason the Greenlawn
> > owl nest is fenced off. A few bad actors do tend to result in negative
> > comments about groups in general, which is why we should feel
> > obligated to speak out about unethical or just plain rude behavior
> > when we observe it. Some photographers do act in ways that are not
> > only detrimental to birds, but to birders and people around them.
> > Unfortunately, it is the bad behavior that sticks out in people's
> > minds. No one is going to remember the guy on the Magee boardwalk
> > handholding a 400mm lens, standing behind all the people trying to see
> > a rare warbler, but they are going to remember the guy set up with a
> > massive lens and tripod that you have to squeeze by. And conversely,
> > no one remembers the quiet birders who see the bird and move on; they
> > remember the ones that just had to get closer for a really good look
> > or immediately whip out a recording and ruin it for everyone. When
> > people criticize birders for those actions, I don't feel personally
> offended because I don't do what they are complaining about.
> >
> > Andy Sewell
> > Columbus, Ohio
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Scott E. Zimmermann
> > <[log in to unmask]
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> We should not be publishing owl nest locations nor should we be
> >> belittling photographers. I am personally offended by the comments
> >> about photographers related to the GHOW and their nest.
> >>
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