Everyone has valid points, but let's remember that this is supposed to be for enjoyment. We all have many other places we could go to hear complaining. No disrespect intended, Andrew Morrison Kirtland, Ohio ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]