The bird reported by Winnie and Shari is probably the same bird that has caused this controversy every year since John Pogacnik first noticed it back in 2003. I myself noted it in 2004 and came to the same rough conclusion ("possible Western gull") but later revised my opinion in light of evidence that it is probably a herring X great black-backed gull hybrid or something of that nature. Just because this one is not likely to be the hoped-for stray does not in any way detract from the observation. Keeping an eye out for birds that don't fit with the crowd is great birding practice, and eventually will yield a rarity or two. Chris Spagnoli Lakewood ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]