I should have said "the thin black line that extends along the outside of the tail a short distance toward the END OF THE TAIL, i.e. the outer web of outer tail feather. Instead of "the thin black line that extends along the outside of the tail a short distance TOWARD THE RUMP, i.e. the outer web of outer tail feather. Sorry for any confusion that this caused. Jay Jay G. Lehman Cincinnati, OH [log in to unmask] ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]