Great news about Magee Marsh and Crane Creek. Sounds like good decisions are being crafted among our agencies. I support maximum possible return of habitat for birds--more accessible birds along an expanded low-impact trail system to spread out birders would be helpful. I think it will become evident in the future that birds, birders, and the Birding Trail may best be served by using a Point Pelee adaptation. I agree we need newbie-friendly birding at special places to capture involvement of youth and new adult interest. A shuttle service approach might be just the thing for the Birding Trail, for new and "experienced" birders alike. The seasonal nature of the demand for transport is a business problem without obvious solution. Economics, at least in part, will determine future approaches. I'm certain the Point Pelee service is heavily subsidized by the government in Canada. I'm not so sure we'll see that happen on the US side. A good case for subsidy can be made, and we should give this some thought. Tom Bain ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]