Thank you to everyone who responded! I think immature grosbeak... See the following link and the picture where they are holding up the bird's wing to show the red underwing; that looks the most like the bird I saw. http://bdi.org/Birdkey/Detail.cfm?ID=2258&Area_Name=&DepthToSearch=5&Passed_ Genus=Pheucticus&Passed_Species=ludovicianus Thank you to everyone and especially to Richard Robertson, who sent the link to the above picture. Regards, Barb -----Original Message----- From: Ohio birds [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Barbara Philbrick Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 3:42 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [Ohio-birds] Help with bird ID Have a bird in the backyard I can't find in the books or through Whatbird.com. It's between size of a Robin and Blue Jay, with distinct black and white striping on the head. The beak is finch-like. When it flies, I can see strong reddish brown patches that aren't visible when the wings are closed. It's been coming to the feeder and I have the camera at the ready in case he shows up again. Thanks for any help! Barb ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask] ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]