Hello all of you. As Su Snyder already posted we had four swallows migrating south-west at Secrest in Wooster this morning. The birds, in the ten seconds we were on them, Seemed to be fairly small, mostly pale on the breast ,with square tails, fast wingbeats, with a twisting flight habit. These birds provide a problem for me as I would like to say they were Cave Swallows just for listing sake. But rational thinking has brought me to the opion that I will never know what species these swallows were. Anyway who ever heard of cave swallows inland like this, they are all up at lake erie? So they must be late cliff swallows? As it was the birds never paused in straight line flight straight over head ( I was hoping one would bank around for a veiw of the top side it was not to be.) This is what makes birding fun for me something you don't see every day providing a challenging view ! So here is my question; What do you look for on late fall swallows that separates Cliff from Cave? Is it possible to ID swallows if all you have is shape to go by? Keep looking up Willis B Woooster ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]