Kevin Karlson commented today on Id-Frontiers about the bird that Craig Holt had found and I thought I would pass this on to the list he closed his email with the following I have never seen the subtle plumage details present on the Ohio bird on tens of thousands of juvenile Semis that I have studied over the last 30 years . Congratulations to the observer in Ohio as well. It was correct of you to bring our attention to this bird. It is one worth studying. Kevin Karlson here is the post in full http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/FRID.html#1251141354 Mark Vass Ambridge,Pa. ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]