Actually, Jen, I've done some study over the years of why some people are active in the outdoors, and others aren't, regardless of ethnicity or where they live. We've found that in general - noting that there are always exceptions - most people who are active in some phase of outdoor recreation (birding, hiking, camping, boating, kayaking, skiing, etc.) usually have had either (1) family members or a mentor who was active and took them along; or (2) had a natural area to play in and feel comfortable with (nearly park, woods, fields, "undeveloped" space, etc.) when they were children. Many people of color have had neither, thus their feeling of detachment from nature. One interesting exception is fishing. Many people of color, even in urban areas, are active in fishing and will travel to fish. Their grandparents and parents fished, and they do too - for recreation as well as for food, like most fisher-folks of any ethnicity do. Here in Cleveland Metroparks, it has always been one of the most active outdoor sports enjoyed by visitors of color, now followed closely by wellness walking in many reservations. It has caused us to redefine our use of the word "urban". We now describe "urban" as areas with limited or no access to nature. That would include many areas others now define as "suburban" and has nothing to do with human demographics. There is a very interesting book by nature photographer Dudley Edmondson called "Black and Brown Faces in America's Wild Places" that highlights the thoughts and experiences of 20 African-American outdoorsmen, including a bird watcher, mountaineer and wildlife biologist. Good reading. In a series of focus groups we did a few years ago, we asked minority invitees why they weren't more involved in nature parks and refuges. We thought they would respond "...because of transportation issues." They replied that there is plenty of transportation available, either private or public. The real issue, they said, ".... is that we don't know what to do once we get there." Demographers tell us that in less than 50 years, the "white folks" you mention will be the minority population in the United States. Those who love nature and want it to flourish for future generations had better be in the business of involving people of color in their friendships, field trips, birding conferences and other events pretty soon. Cheers... Bob Bob Hinkle Chief, Division of Outdoor Education Cleveland Metroparks (216) 341-9225 On 8/31/09 10:19 AM, "Jen S" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Kenn, I owe you an apology. Obviously, I jumped to a conclusion. To me, > your post had the smell of another government funded program with a > "Diversity" tag. > > Don't know what the answer is to get the "non-white" population involved. If > all you see is smiling white faces during your lectures and outings, maybe > you're in the wrong community or park. I don't know, just a thought. To be > fair, what motivates anyone to be interested in nature and conservation. It's > not as if white folks are born with a pair of binoculars around their neck and > a field guide in their back pocket. > > Heck of a way to get the conversation going. Sorry for the hassle. > > Jen S. > > ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]