I thought I would weigh in with my 2 cents on this subject and in this economy that amounts to about nothing so take it for what it is worth....lol... I am a birder who has absolutely no organizational skills whatsoever and am not afraid to admit it. Some may say ADD is to blame. I am ok with that. The reason I bird is not to really keep any kind of record or to socialize for that matter but to get out and for the most part enjoy the solitude that birding can bring. I truly enjoy being absolutely alone when I bird. For that reason alone I have no desire to head to Magee as I can find the same enjoyment in seeing only a fraction of the birds in fantastic areas where there is no pressure. With that being said I applaud those who keep extensive records as they may serve a purpose somewhere in the future but for the folks (who I agree with when they say) when it becomes a job it is no longer a hobby. We all have different levels of observation and they should all be respected for what they are worth. We all love birds. ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]