When discussing turbines one must consider the alternative. The vast majority of our electricity comes from coal. Which is extracted using various methods, all of which have negative ecological impacts on both ends, extraction and use. The most destructive being Mountain Top Removal, which not only decimates the environment but causes serious health issues for the workers and surrounding communities. I believe it is 10% of our coal, is extracted using this method. The immediate and long term affects of this process would be impossible to quantify. It is much easier to quantify the bird deaths due to turbines, count the dead birds. As technology advances wind turbines are getting safer and more efficient and the turbines of 30 years ago are nothing like the new ones, blades spinning at slower speeds like having your bicycle in the lowest gear, dramatically reduce bird deaths. All I am saying.....Is give wind a chance! ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]