On 11/3/2010 10:57 AM, Hutson, Timothy B wrote: > Joanne, > > Boy howdy is it not obvious! In all of the other pics I took, I see no evidence of color. Is this just non-breeding plumage or is it normal for this bird. > The male can have a lot of red or a tiny amount. This may be a female--no red patch. I should have thought it out better! My bad. I've seen some where the patch was only visible if the bird was on a low branch and I was looking practically over their head, and was remebering those experiences. Joanne ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]