Greetings, I lost the original post, so please forgive me that it is not referenced at the end of this post. However, as I am truly interested in this topic, I beat the powers at be to the punch and put a topic regarding this issue up on the forum. I have said in the past that using bird calls is kind of like drinking adult beverages...fine in moderation, and only where it's legal, I also don't use them when I am with other birders, or where there is a lot of human pressure. I have heard some people prefer pishing over calls, and others that are the exact opposite, Some will only use predator calls, and still others that are of the mindset that any noise used to attract birds is the cruelest thing that anyone can do. But a good discussion needs to be made, listing all sides pro and against, so I started a post: http://www.ohiobirds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1816 Keep discussion language within the bounds of forum guidelines please. Thanks, and have a great day! Steve J. ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]