After 2 hours searching for the Black-tailed Gull today I realize I need to go "to the next level" of study for both gulls and shorebirds. I want to ask Santa for both a guide to gulls and a guide to shorebirds. The opinions of some of our Varsity Birders would be most appreciated. Direct response to me or to the list if you feel others would benefit from your experience with these guides. I already use Kaufman and Sibley guides to birds or N. America. Matt Valencic Chagrin Falls, OH ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]