I stopped back at Lorain around 4:00 to see if the California gull had come in any closer or to see if anything else was around. I was only there around 20 minutes and saw only a lesser black-backed gull. There were probably more gulls in the river and harbor than before, but the percentage of ring-billed gulls were higher. There were a lot of big gulls south of the bridge and I didn't have time to check east of the sewage plant so my check was far from complete. John Pogacnik 4765 Lockwood Road Perry, OH 44081 (440) 259-2751 ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]