Hi, Andy's post reminded me of Fish Crow we had at Headlands last May. Here are links to photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/haans42/7106739009/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/haans42/7106738855/in/photostream In this instance the voice was a dead giveaway. However I am unsure if the photos are at all conclusive. The wing shape,( including primary lengths) head and bill size, and tail length seem to be different from American Crow, but I have never studied the morphological differences between these species in detail. I submitted a report to the OBRC soon after the sighting including imitations of the crow's voice but have no idea if this record was ever accepted. Haans Petruschke Kirtland ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]