Wed a little after 6:00 PM I went look for the Pacific Loon. I looked by the boat ramp and found 2 Loons but before I could get out of the car and down with my rather beat up scope one seemedin to have taken off toward the other end of the Lake. I looked at the remaining Loon, it was a Common Loon, full adult. I also saw a male Horned Grebe which was pretty exciting as I rarely (never?) have seen one and love Grebes. After bit I went down the other end of the Lake. I found a Loon and while I was trying to figure it out up pops a second one. They were not easily id'd as they seem to be juveniles? Neither were in full easily id'ed plumage. Honestly I'm not sure which they were, I don't trust my id skills for juveniles. I only had one id book with me and the light was soft. I thought one of them was Common because of the identation of the white on the front of its neck. A woman also looking talked to a gentleman who showed her a picture he had taken earlier and she said it was definately a Pacific. I went back down to the boat ramp, Common Loon still there. Couldn't find the Horned Grebe but ta da there were two Mergansers. I looked and looked they were fairly uniformaly brownish grey,with a white flash at the flanks, orange beaks, the heads were reddish with dark smokey color starting around the eyes and into a sparse and spikey crest. The front of the necks were not at all white but a light brownish. Before I left they actually came pretty close to shore. Looking at a couple more ID books I think they were female Red Breasted Mergansers although I realize that seems sort of unlikely. The white flash would indicate a female Common Merganser but the bill and everything looked Red Breast to me. There were a few other people there but no one seemed interested, they were just looking for the PL. Would love to go tomorrow the same time as someone more experienced and better than me. Mary, Fairborn/Dayton ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]