Dave's evening photos are a big help. It's worth remembering that this particular Pickerington Ponds spot provides pretty wretched views until late in the day. Local folks may recall that the park staff were thoughtful enough to mow a temporary trail up to a vantage point on the west side a few years back when a rash of godwits showed up. How many parks would do that? As for the possibility of glossies in the mix (there seems less doubt that one bird is a white-faced), I can offer only one unmentioned consideration: white-faced ibises apparently average smaller than glossies, and when they are together this can be evident. Seems to me this can be seen in the photos, where the red-eyed bird seems to be daintier and shorter-legged than either of its companions. I could be wrong, but have a look. And have a look at the table of measurements in http://elibrary.unm.edu/sora/NAB/v054n03/p00241-p00247.pdf on p. 244 Sorry, but these days we have to consider hybrids between these two species. Both species were noticed wandering from their once-disparate breeding ranges forty years or so ago, and proved capable of interbreeding. Markings of hybrids seem to be really hard to tell apart in such young birds, though. Seems to me we'd have to have even better photos than Dave's if this were the case. There are half a dozen Pick Ponds records of "glossy ibises," and this would be the first county record of a definitive white-faced (it's worth bearing in mind it was recognized as a separate species only in 1983, though). Here's a well-illustrated article from folks in Oklahoma, the heart of hybridization these days: http://www.okbirds.org/nab-v57-n1-2003-glossy-whitefaced-hybridization-new.pdf It doesn't wade far into the murky waters of young hybrids, however. Bill Whan Columbus ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]