A specious point as I make no claim of being an organization with a mission of promoting bird conservation. That said, I am very comfortable with my record of practicing what I preach. I constantly do my best to do the right thing to protect and preserve and reduce my impact on the environment. This includes having a chemical free, bird friendly, yard for the past decade. I encourage my friends and acquaintences to do the same, but even though they like birds, they still want the Scotts Miracle Grow version of what a yard should look like. Haans On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 10:31 PM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > As long as we're pointing fingers, perhaps Mr. Petruschke could enlighten > us on exactly what actions he himself took to organize opposition to > Scott's. It's easy to find fault with others after the fact, but rather > inappropriate to do so if you yourself are guilty of the same charge. > > bp > > > > Sep 7, 2012 09:45:09 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote: > Jen, > >I 'm sorry but not having been alive during a time of revolution, you are > >clueless about "revolutionary" tone or rhetoric. Any attempt at defense of > >Scotts Miracle Grow, is simply cowardly poppycock. None of Ohio 's or our > >National "bird conservation" organizations have had the courage to call > for > >action against Scotts Miracle Grow. This is not a case for soft rhetoric. > > Scotts Miracle Grow violated the law in the most prejudicial manner, and > >this amoral corporation should be sanctioned as such. It is unconscionable > >that national, and Ohio based bird conservation organizations, have not > >called for a complete boycott off this company 's environmentally > hazardous > >products. Unless that is, these organizations are receiving funding from > >this amoral company. If this is the case they have no standing whatsoever > >as bird conservation organizations. > > > >Haans > > > >On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:05 PM, JB <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > >> All- > >> > >> Haans, aside from the revolutionary tone you brought to your original > >> post, there is in fact a valid point glaring from within your original > and > >> finger-pointing, hella short-toned note to Ohio-birds. A softer question > >> could have begun a very intriguing conversation and elicited solid > >> commentary and answers, and ultimately, action. Example: "what stances > are > >> Ohio 's major birding/bird conservation groups taking on the Scott 's > Miracle > >> Grow disaster?" > >> > >> Each of Ohio 's birding/conservation organizations are working > tirelessly > >> and daily on MULTIPLE conservation issues. If we all composed ONE list > of > >> the issues we are battling, it would be mind-blowing. I understand that > >> some issues may seem moot in comparison to the nationwide devastation > that > >> Scott 's unleashed, but careful not to undermine the hundreds of other > >> battles that Ohio and National organizations are going toe-to-toe with > >> daily. > >> > >> I understand you very well. Consider that you did indeed bring up a > valid > >> issue, a very large one that could be discussed endlessly, but Ohio is > >> fighting the good fight on so many massive levels. The Scott 's fight > is a > >> good one and folks SHOULD be aware of the devastation caused by hunger > of > >> money and ignorance, but to pin fault to Ohio organizations on that > matter > >> is a serious bummer, man. Take your energy to aligning with an > >> organization(s) to trump disasters such as Scott 's. > >> > >> While it is absolutely great to question the choices of organizations > and > >> voice opinions, know that hundreds to thousands of folks are battling > >> unsurmountable odds with numerous conservation related issues with often > >> little monetary backup to go to war with devastating actions of Big > >> Business. Often we 're fighting with the one thing that guarantees our > >> triumph: pure passion. Join us. Cheers. > >> > >> > >> JB > >> > >> Jen Brumfield > >> Cleveland, OH > >> Bird illustrator and birding tour guide > >> [log in to unmask] > >> www.jenbrumfield.com > >> www.northnw.wordpress.com > >> > >> > >> On Sep 7, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Haans Petruschke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> > >> > Kim echos my point exactly. How may birds will die because of these > 1000 > >> > balloons which will likely deflate and photo degrade within 100 miles > of > >> > the release point? How many birds were killed by this corporation 's > >> > insidious pursuit of profit above the welfare of the birds they > marketed > >> > their product to attract? Why were no Ohio, or national, "bird > >> > conservation" organizations, calling for a boycott of Scotts Miracle > Grow > >> > products when this criminal violation of pesticide laws became > apparent 2 > >> > years ago? > >> > > >> > It is incredulous that such organizations can be aware of 1000 helium > >> > balloons being released in rural Ohio, and unaware of a major criminal > >> act > >> > that killed countless birds in Ohio, by a major Ohio corporation. > >> > > >> > If Black Swamp Bird Observatory, wishes to claim ignorance, it is > >> > understood as during that time frame it was far more concentrated on > >> other > >> > specious concerns. But this does not hold true for the aforementioned > >> > larger "bird conservation" oriented organizations. > >> > > >> > Always the troublemaker > >> > > >> > Haans Petruschke > >> > Kirtland > >> > > >> > On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Kim Kaufman <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> In response to Mr. Petruschke 's complaint: > >> >> > >> >> Having just spent the last 16 hours doing bird conservation work and > >> >> fighting a 1000 helium balloon release in Van Wert County, I find > this > >> kind > >> >> of blast particularly offensive. I speak only on behalf of myself and > >> my > >> >> thoughts do NOT represent any of our other nonprofit partners called > on > >> the > >> >> carpet here, but...Give me a break! > >> >> > >> >> The story was broadcast far and wide on Facebook by many of us. And > in > >> >> fact, Ann Oliver just posted a link to the story on Birding Ohio. > >> >> > >> >> Back to work. My day isn 't over. > >> >> > >> >> Kim Kaufman > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------ > >> >> *From*: "Haans Petruschke" <[log in to unmask]> > >> >> *Sent*: Friday, September 07, 2012 8:04 PM > >> >> *To*: [log in to unmask] > >> >> *Subject*: [Ohio-birds] Scotts Miracle grow settlement > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Hi, > >> >> > >> >> Today the Scotts Miracle Grow company of Marysville Ohio settled with > >> the > >> >> US EPA for a pittance of a criminal fine of $12.5 million for > applying > >> >> pesticides, which killed Ohio birds, to its brand of bird seed. This > >> story > >> >> first broke more than 2 years ago, and while the sale of this > >> >> seed undoubtedly killed countless birds in Ohio, it got nary a > mention > >> from > >> >> the Ohio Ornithological Society, Black Swamp Bird Observatory, the > Ohio > >> >> Audubon Society and Chapters, nor national > >> >> organizations supposedly concerned with bird conservation like: the > >> >> American Bird Conservancy, National Audubon Society, or Cornell > >> Ornithology > >> >> Laboratory. This lack of attention to this issue is absolutely > stunning. > >> >> > >> >> Are these organizations truly concerned with bird conservation? > >> >> > >> >> As I did 2 years ago on Facebook, I again call for a boycott of all > >> Scotts > >> >> Miracle Grow products. It doubt any of the aforementioned > organizations > >> >> will have the courage to do the same. > >> >> > >> >> Haans Petruschke > >> >> Kirtland > >> >> > >> >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > >> >> > >> >> Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological > Society. > >> >> Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. > >> >> Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at > >> >> www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. > >> >> > >> >> You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: > >> >> http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS > >> >> Send questions or comments about the list to: > [log in to unmask] > >> >> > >> > > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > >> > > >> > Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. > >> > Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. > >> > Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at > >> www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. > >> > > >> > You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: > >> > http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS > >> > Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask] > >> > > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. > >> Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. > >> Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at > >> www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. > >> > >> You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: > >> http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS > >> Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask] > >> > > > >______________________________________________________________________ > > > >Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. > >Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. > >Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at > www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. > > > >You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: > >http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS > >Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask] > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. 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