Still seeing the scoter at overton pond location near wooster. Better light today, longer looks, and heard it. The question is surf vs white-winged. Two white patches are obvious on the face. In flight, NO white obvious on wings. Great "toot" call in flight, which is only listed under surf on Sib iPhone app -- unless both make that sound it was 100% Surf. If both make the same call in flight, and juvenile white-wing doesn't always have white on wings, back to being unsure. Will get some pics up on FB's Birding Ohio in a few minutes... Scott Hannan Wooster ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]