Lured out by picnic weather, we stopped by a spot discovered by Paul Hurtado last year along Zuber Rd, namely the little lane on the north side of Zuber just west of Seeds Rd, where in a snow-free field in glorious sunlight we found a gathering of 2500+ gulls. Time was short, and the birds were skittish enough that I didn't get out the scope, but there was at least one first-year great black-backed gull and one or two young lesser black-backed gulls in the throng. Chances look good for some interesting finds again this winter. Farther south on Seeds Road are some spots that look promising for Smith's longspurs in spring; this is where flocks of 200-250 were repeatedly found in the '50s and '6os in April, and some spots probably haven't changed a whole lot since then. Bill Whan Columbus ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]