I'll tell you, gulls sure humble me. But, then, so do sparrows, fall warblers and lots of other birds! Please take a look at this gull and let me know what you think. My best guess after looking through my reference books is Lesser Black-backed Gull, but I am not sure. Perhaps because it does not have, what I think, is enough 'smudging' on the head and the mantle is not dark enough. Here are some poor quality digiscoped pictures for all to consider. http://www.flickr.com/photos/85567104@N05/ Thanks, Matt Valencic ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]