The grebes in the valley have caused much deliberation today. Someone from the Cvnp walk this morning let me know they deliberated as well and leaned toward horned. That would make more sense as these birds were scruffier than the clean cut red neck we had. Maybe someone with a scope could weigh in on that. Thanx so much & Bird blessings Sandra ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Please consider joining our Society, at www.ohiobirds.org/site/membership.php. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]