Marie: Well said, and I couldn't agree more. Maybe birders do need a motto. Lyn Miller Cleveland Hts. On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 8:08 AM, marys1000 <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Wow, > > So, If you don't agree with "its getting to see the bird above all > else" you are > told you should consider leaving? Absolutely not. > Cynthia please don't leave this group or think that this is what > everyone on here thinks. > I can assure you, I and others you will probably receive emails from > privately, want you on this list > and hope you feel free to voice your ideas about birds and bird watching > freely. > > The birding community (and farmers, and Amish, name your group) is just > a mix of people, people of all types and attitudes. All groups have their > share of saints and sinners and everything inbetween. We all have > different opinions about what loving birds comes down to. Those > opinions are all different and sometimes > even different in words and action. I've become increasingly aware over > many years of bird watching that 'the birding community', whatever that is, > is not some homogeneous block of like minded people who put birds > above all else. > I haven't actually felt like part of the "birding" community in some > time and am not concerned about it either. > My Dad taught me two things, 'watch what people do, not what they say' > and 'only you can be responsible for and hold on to your integrity'. > > In no way am I saying don't share, but you can share with some caution > and limitations to ensure the bird isn't > impacted by people any more than they already are. And if sharing can't > be done without impacting the bird there shouldn't be any guilt > about not sharing. Hikers have Leave no footprints, Physicians Do no > harm. Do birders need a motto? > > What is wrong with setting up some viewing times? Bringing people > out in small groups? Not using calls? Why is it such a crises for > people to not see the bird? > You travel, you take your chances. If you want a guarantee go to a zoo. > It doesn't matter whether or not the bird is breeding, or is going to > move on. It has a right to migrate, eat, rest up in > some peace. Isn't it bad enough we've taken away so much of their > habitat and put up so many obstacles > to migration? How about we not add insult to injury!? > Who wouldn't feel better about the situation and themselves if they went > hoping to see the bird but didn't > because it was not being harassed? And the elation that comes when > patience and luck shows you the bird > in its own time, living its life as it should be allowed to? > > I feel like those boys doing the tours got a real bad example of how to > treat birds. > > > Marie, Fairborn > > > On 6/15/2014 12:02 AM, OHIO-BIRDS automatic digest system wrote: > >> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 21:45:27 -0400 >> From: Wes Hatch<[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: Fwd: [Ohio-birds] Some Thoughts On Rural Birding Rarities >> >> Cynthia,=20 >> >> They either cut the entire patch or let the patch alone. Eventually the >> bird= >> is going to migrate as they don't breed here. They might as well let as >> man= >> y people either see or here this very secretive bird so they don't have >> to d= >> isrupt the others on there breeding grounds. These farmers are special in >> th= >> at they are willing to share there rarities with the locals. This family >> is h= >> osting people from around the state and out of the state to see this >> bird, j= >> ust like their friends in the past have done for other rarities. >> > If you don'= t believe in the sharing of birds you shouldn't be a part > of this list serve= . Wes Hatch Sent from my iPhone > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. > Please consider joining our Society, at www.ohiobirds.org/site/ > membership.php. > Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. > > > You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: > listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS > Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask] > ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Please consider joining our Society, at www.ohiobirds.org/site/membership.php. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]