Hi, There is always danger in lumping and splitting people into categories. Labeling is a difficult thing that can lead to misunderstanding. Nature and wildlife photographers and birders and bird watchers run the full gamut of behavior and respect for the subject of their interest, so broad generalizations about any group is not a very good thing to do. Rather than lumping we should be doing more splitting when it comes to complaining about behavior. Most important, if you see bad behavior that is disruptive have the courage to say something then and there to the people doing it, regardless of their primary activity. Of course there is a considerable range in what is considered bad behavior and often there are multiple standards depending on how "special" the species is considered to be. That said, I hope we can all agree that chasing a bird until it repeatedly flushes to get a better look, or photo, is something that might prevent others from enjoying the bird and should be a good reason for intervention on behalf of those who will come later. Haans ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Please consider joining our Society, at www.ohiobirds.org/site/membership.php. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]