Patience is required , the Downy's may change their behavior , and regard these words from Thomas Jefferson to James Madison: not a quote - Keep a journal, recording weather and birds it may amuse you and prove useful. The Shakers said when told that people were stealing their vegetables, we must plant more. Carole B NE Ohio ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Please consider joining our Society, at www.ohiobirds.org/site/membership.php. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]