Oh, for Pete's sake, everyone - just quit (t)witching at each other. There are so many better ways to spend your time. Take a hike, go find some shorebirds or watch the leaves change color during this glorious season. Check the radar and find the latest wave of migrants. This kind of sniping is the reason why birders have the reputation for being a bunch of fussy old-men-in-britches. Knock it off and play nice. Lee "One of the deep secrets of life is that all that is really worth doing is what we do for others." ~ Lewis Carroll ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Please consider joining our Society, at www.ohiobirds.org/site/membership.php. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]