DB-- If you saw two Aplomado falcons clinging to a cage here in Ohio, that might be one thing. But if you saw them in south Texas, it seems likely they were part of decades-long program to reintroduce the species to that area, and were hanging around hoping for a free meal--certainly a sign they continue to rely on human assistance. If interested in a list via the existing ABA rules, most counters would insist on birds a lot wilder than that. Some listers would probably not count any Aplomado seen near the SE Texas introduction sites, because if the population were really established they wouldn't still be hacking them. But if we don't bother with rules such as the ABA's, we can have a real bonanza down at the zoo...which leads me to wonder, no kidding: could anyone recommend the best zoo in Ohio, with the most new ticks for the birder who loves birds and counts everything?? Bill W On 11/12/2015 8:24 AM, Douglas Bohanan wrote: > The birds in question are Aplomado falcons. I am not sure exactly > what stage they were at in regards to the hacking. They were both on > the outside of the hacking cage clinging to the side. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 12, 2015, at 5:28 AM, Kathi Hutton >> <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Regarding the countability of hacked birds: >> >> http://listing.aba.org/aba-recording-rules/ >> >> Rule 3 of the ABA's listing rules says the bird must be "alive, >> wild, and unrestrained" to be counted. In the definition of >> "unrestrained," it states the bird must not be "held captive ... or >> under the influence of such captivity." >> >> If a hacked bird is confined, or if it is being fed by humans and >> is "under the influence" of captivity, my interpretation is that it >> is not countable. >> >> I would be interested in other opinions. >> >> Kathi Hutton Clermont County >> >> Sent from iVan II, my iPhone >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. >> Please consider joining our Society, at >> www.ohiobirds.org/site/membership.php. Our thanks to Miami >> University for hosting this mailing list. >> >> >> You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: >> listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions >> or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask] > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological > Society. Please consider joining our Society, at > www.ohiobirds.org/site/membership.php. Our thanks to Miami University > for hosting this mailing list. > > > You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: > listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or > comments about the list to: [log in to unmask] > > ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Please consider joining our Society, at www.ohiobirds.org/site/membership.php. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]