Wow that's crazy. In my short number of years looking at dump gulls. I wouldn't think this practice actually works. Take last winter for instance and the beginning of this winter the landfill in Dayton has so many gulls taking a hundred or so wouldn't do anything. The gulls keep coming in all winter and stay as it freezes up north. I hear what I believe to be cannons of some sort go off from time to time but it doesn't drive the birds off they stay exactly where they were. And hell its a dump so seeing a few dead birds and whatever other surprises is probably normal for the everyday dump gull. I'm just saying killing a 100 birds to try to scare off thousands just doesn't seem the way to go on this one. Bird On!!! Eric Elvert Dayton, Oh On Jan 21, 2016 1:24 PM, "Dan Kramer" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Depredation permits allowing the taking (i.e. killing) of gulls, like > those used at airports as well as landfills, are not intended to kill every > bird. Their purpose is to deter the vast majority of birds from returning > by frightening them with the disturbance of gunshots as well as the sight > and sounds of dead and/or dying birds. So, these permits are often capped > at some reasonable number perhaps allowing the taking of 100 or so over a > given period of time. The permit specifies the species allowed to be > killed and may also allow for incidental take of similar (but certainly not > endangered) species. The permit may specify some percentage of the total > take that is acceptable for these incidental species. And, the recipient > of the permit is required to report both the numbers and species of birds > killed. Those persons doing the actual shooting bear the responsibility of > being capable of properly identifying birds. At airports these permits are > most often issued to biologists from the USDA Wildlife Services who perform > the actual control work. > > Copies of these permits can be obtained from the US Fish & Wildlife > Service, Midwest Region 3, 5600 American Blvd. West, Suite 990, > Bloomington, MN 55437-1458. For background on a federal bird depredation > permit see http://www.fws.gov/forms/3-200-13.pdf > > Dan Kramer > Bolivar, OH > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ohio birds [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of > eric elvert > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 10:54 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [Ohio-birds] landfill gull shooting > > Is there any place we can view these submitted reports? And in my opinion > as if it matters when your dealing with thousands of gulls on a landfill > shooting a couple, few hundred is not going to help with your gull problem. > They should just be looked at as part of the job. Learn how to duck and > dodge. What do they do about the millions of blackbirds or hundreds of > pigeons? > Bird On!!! > > Eric Elvert > Dayton, ohio > On Jan 21, 2016 10:44 AM, "Jon Cefus" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > How would you propose that our "wonderful government" enforce theses > laws? > > > > I find it interesting how the need for regulation of corporations has > > swung full circle to criticism of the body whose job it is to try to > > keep the wolves out of the pasture. Particularly in light of the > > blatant efforts of huge money interests to undermine these regulations > > at every opportunity. > > > > We need to work hard to not throw out the baby with the bath water. > > > > Jon Cefus > > > > A birder who does not know his 2nd cycle HEGU from his 3rd, but does > > know something about the politics of driving buses off of cliffs. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jan 21, 2016, at 10:11 AM, John Herman > > > <[log in to unmask]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Gulls, especially in winter, often frequent landfills. Landfill > > > managers can obtain a federal permit to shoot a specified number of > > > gulls. Gulls deficate on landfill property and are accused of > > > spreading landfill materials to areas outside the landfill. I > > > believe the wind causes more materials to be moved about than gulls do. > > > These federal permits state which species of gulls can be shot and > > > how many. A report is required to be submitted to the feds. listing > > > numbers > > and > > > species shot. With large gulls taking 4 years to obtain adult > > > plumage, I believe the majority of individuals doing the shooting > > > can not identify species. > > > Not surprisingly, the species listed on the report are the ones > > > allowed > > by > > > the permit. > > > With lesser black-backed gulls increasing their occurrence at > > > landfills, > > I > > > would not be surprised immatures and others have been shot. Last > > > winter a lot of great black-backed gulls and lesser numbers of > > > glaucous gulls > > showed > > > up at landfills. Undoubedly, some of some gulls, especially the > > immatures, > > > get shot. > > > I doubt the dept. of interior is concerned if gull species are shot > > > that are not permitted to be such, on the permit. > > > There is no enforcement of the limitations the permit requires. > > > Our "wonderful" government at work. > > > John Herman > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > __ > > > > > > Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. > > > Please consider joining our Society, at > > www.ohiobirds.org/site/membership.php. > > > Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. > > > > > > > > > You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: > > > listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS > > > Send questions or comments about the list to: > > > [log in to unmask] > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. > > Please consider joining our Society, at > > www.ohiobirds.org/site/membership.php. > > Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. > > > > > > You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: > > listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS > > Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask] > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. > Please consider joining our Society, at > www.ohiobirds.org/site/membership.php. > Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. > > > You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: > listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS > Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask] > > ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. 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