Steve-- This stuff is invisible to me, but it sounds like going too far. I would like to see some of these "critiques" and "ridicules", and I promise to do something about them if I find them equally offensive. A little sunlight can do a lot. Bring 'em on, and don't forget including the sources! Bill W On 3/16/2016 10:50 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > The reason why it has gotten thin is very simple. People on the list seem > to take it upon themselves to critique other's posts off list. Private > emails and the like from those NOT moderating, made people think that their > opinions were invalid...or not wanted. The format of how someone who was > new to online posting was ridiculed to the point where he would rather post > on Facebook. The attitude of birders in the field also throws people off, > if someone on the list is...grumpy shall we say...out in the field, it > throws a bad light on the whole list. > > It is hard for people like me to tell people they need to sign up and post > sightings, when they tell me that they used to till someone started > complaining... > > I could go on, but Day shift calls. > > Steve J > On Mar 16, 2016 10:23 AM, "Haans Petruschke" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> 15 years ago was back when Vic owned the list and actively moderating it to >> stay within the allowed subjects. The discussion could be pretty wide >> ranging as it related to wild birds including habitat and conservation and >> or birding in Ohio and the immediately adjacent contiguous geography. From >> my perspective it was more oriented toward general ornithology, and >> sometimes acceptable discussions got pretty wide ranging and very >> interesting. The sorts of thing that draws complaints and hate mail today. >> >> Today the list is mostly about reporting sightings and has little lively >> discussion about habitat or ecology. Most of the fun has been sucked out of >> it by those with commercial interests, and those afraid of critical posts >> perhaps having an adverse effect on fundraising efforts. >> >> As a result of the above you seldom or never see much that involves >> discussion of any topic that might be controversial, and when there is the >> responses tend to be thin skinned. >> >> Those are my observations based upon 20 years or so of being a subscriber >> and contributor. >> >> Haans >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Bill Whan <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >>> Subject: Evolution of this list >>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:31:29 -0400 >>> From: Bill Whan <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> >>> Without commenting much about them, I attach an old slice of posts to >>> this list from about 15 years ago. I would be interested to hear what >>> readers--folks who wrote and read during those years, and those who have >>> done so only recently--think about them. I would be interested what >>> folks think about how posts to ohiobirds have changed since then, >>> perhaps some ideas about why, and if you think the exchange about >>> knowledge and news has changed, and if so how. Read them and see... >>> >>> http://web.archive.org/web/20020627225530/http://aves.net/archives >>> /default.htm >>> >>> Bill Whan >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. >>> Please consider joining our Society, at >>> www.ohiobirds.org/site/membership.php. >>> Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. >>> >>> >>> You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: >>> listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS >>> Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask] >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. >> Please consider joining our Society, at >> www.ohiobirds.org/site/membership.php. >> Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. >> >> >> You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: >> listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS >> Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask] >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. > Please consider joining our Society, at www.ohiobirds.org/site/membership.php. > Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. > > > You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: > listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS > Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask] > > ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. 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