I suggest that the question has been answered, and that any more discussion on the matter is just dragging us down as a group...bird on! On Apr 6, 2016 12:04 PM, "Dan Kramer" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > When in doubt, refer to the American Birding Association's Code of Ethic: > http://www.aba.org/about/ethics.html 'Nuff said? > > Dan Kramer > Bolivar, OH > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ohio birds [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of > Alex > Eberts > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 11:06 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [Ohio-birds] Great Horned Owl Roost Sites > > The reason to feel offended is because all photographers get lumped into > the > same group of unethical and rude people when it isn't the case for the > majority. Speaking out on bad behaviors is one thing, but making an > overgeneralization about a group of people and lumping all photographers > into it is rude and arrogant. Just because someone chooses to look through > a > camera rather than binoculars doesn't make them any less of a birder. Speak > out against the behavior, not the people. > > Alex Eberts > > > On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Sewell <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > The Greenlawn Cemetery owl nest has been published in the Dispatch, so > > noting its existence on Ohio Birds is not likely to be detrimental. > > However, the original question was about owl roosts, which is different. > > You can go to a spot where owls are reported to roost and never see > > them (I've done it countless times). > > > > In terms of photographers and behavior, there's a reason the Greenlawn > > owl nest is fenced off. A few bad actors do tend to result in negative > > comments about groups in general, which is why we should feel > > obligated to speak out about unethical or just plain rude behavior > > when we observe it. Some photographers do act in ways that are not > > only detrimental to birds, but to birders and people around them. > > Unfortunately, it is the bad behavior that sticks out in people's > > minds. No one is going to remember the guy on the Magee boardwalk > > handholding a 400mm lens, standing behind all the people trying to see > > a rare warbler, but they are going to remember the guy set up with a > > massive lens and tripod that you have to squeeze by. And conversely, > > no one remembers the quiet birders who see the bird and move on; they > > remember the ones that just had to get closer for a really good look > > or immediately whip out a recording and ruin it for everyone. When > > people criticize birders for those actions, I don't feel personally > offended because I don't do what they are complaining about. > > > > Andy Sewell > > Columbus, Ohio > > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Scott E. Zimmermann > > <[log in to unmask] > >> wrote: > > > >> We should not be publishing owl nest locations nor should we be > >> belittling photographers. 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