I am getting messages that this is unlikely. All I know is, it was side by side with other, significantly smaller grackles, and had a large, spreading tail. The flock has moved away, and I have no pics, so make of it what you will. I checked guides before posting, and it said the populations have been moving north and west, so I thought it wasn't so unlikely, but if it is, I will agree it is probably an outlier of the common grackle. Sorry! Marilyn Rohr, Chardon ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Please consider joining our Society, at www.ohiobirds.org/site/membership.php. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]