Species counts for birds depend on luck after we learn the reliable locals. The OBRC Checklist had 420 species for Ohio in 2008. Since then Ohio's number has grown to 432 (even taking into account the expulsion of the Thayer's Gull) based on the Ohio Ornithological Society determinations, which will soon be made public. It would be interesting to know what Ohio's list REALLY is--not just unseen or unreported species recently, but also boreal birds here doing the Ice Age, not to mention birds not seen or reported since then. Those data are lost to us, but who knows, we may have bananaquits. --Bill Whan ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Please consider joining our Society, at www.ohiobirds.org/site/membership.php. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]