I know, you are correct. In my comment you will see that I was hesitant to condemn a group. But as a birder who takes pictures, I suffer branches in front of my birds, and more, because to move them would be wrong. I know this could be anyone, but the person who did it was prepared with clippers. I generally do not carry those anywhere, so this is kind of odd. On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 7:04 PM, Tim Zelko <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Karen, you seem to think it was a photographer but you don't truly know. > Condemning all photographers is wrong. NOT all photographers are bad as you > perceive. For all you know it could have been someone who isn't a bird > watcher or photographer. > I am a photographer and I like to photograph wildlife, but not at the > expense of them. I do stay back an take pictures from afar. The other > photographers I know feel the same way. That is why we buy expensive long > lenses. We don't hesitate to tell anyone they are getting too close. > Amature birders,photographers and the general public need to be taught > the correct way to view. Unless you can prove it was a photographer you > should not condem them. You do not know me or how I approach the situation. > I could easily condem birders, but I have no proof. > All I can say is it is a shame for everyone. Now no one gets a chance > to see them. Same on us as a society for not caring enough to consider what > is a safe distance to view or photograph from. > > Tim > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid > On Jan 20, 2018 6:20 PM, Karen Zeleznik <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > This horrifies me. Now I understand why people will not share locations > > with people they do not know. I hate to condemn one group, but after > > watching two photographers last spring as they moved branches for better > > photos of a Saw-whet, my thought is a greedy photographer. Since you seem > > to be talking about the little owl within the park beyond the turnstile, > I > > am grateful I never saw that one of the two, therefore my directions for > > the second owl we're not used for destruction. If I see ANY clear > Saw-whet > > photos I will blast someone. I just know my temper will get away from me. > > > > Karen > > > > On Jan 20, 2018 5:02 PM, "Haans Petruschke" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I doubt the Port Authority will do anything. It would not do any good > > > anyway. Whomever did this cutting would have ignored tape or rope. > Plus > > > if you had been to this site you would know that in order to actually > see > > > the Owls it was necessary to scramble through some tangle and then > viewing > > > was from about 10-15 feet. It would be impossible to put up tape > without > > > disturbing the owls or blocking viewing. > > > > > > In the end the only injury is to the people who could have had a > chance to > > > see these birds. Not to the Owls. They are likely fine in a different > > > roosting area. > > > > > > Owls don't need protection. This is an issue about someone being a > selfish > > > jerk and inconsiderate. Nothing more. > > > > > > Haans > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 2:44 PM, Jamie Koller <[log in to unmask]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I had contacted someone last week about the CLNP to give those owls a > > > good > > > > buffer by roping off ASAP..at least 30 feet but the person I spoke > too > > > > believes roping the area off has no merit.. the owls move. I was > just > > > > there to see the area for myself and I see well worn areas where the > owls > > > > must have stayed put. I plan to follow up Monday with your findings > and > > > my > > > > photos. Simple signs and rope could be significant. Its a shame > someone > > > > hadn’t suggested roping or tape earlier. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 1:33 PM Haans Petruschke <[log in to unmask]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi, > > > >> > > > >> The little Northern Saw-whet Owls have been very reliable in the > same > > > >> location for weeks at CLNP, but are not there today. Examination > of the > > > >> roost site showed that the tangle had been trimmed with a clipper > all > > > the > > > >> way back to where one of the little owls would sit. Of course the > owl > > > is > > > >> no longer there. > > > >> > > > >> These owls showed remarkable fidelity to this location and > tolerance to > > > >> close approach by humans which is typical if they are in a protected > > > >> location. Cutting the tangle eliminated the protective aspect of > the > > > >> roost > > > >> and so the little owls are gone. > > > >> > > > >> I was not present when the cutting was done and do not know the > reason. > > > >> Anything I might suggest would be speculative and so I refuse to > > > speculate > > > >> for the reason or motive for the disturbance. > > > >> > > > >> This was great while it lasted, and it is too bad the site was > disturbed > > > >> in > > > >> such a gross manner. The fidelity to this site over such a long > period > > > >> provides good evidence of how tolerant owls can be to human > presence so > > > >> long as we do not go too far. > > > >> > > > >> How far is too far? Cutting stuff certainly. Also touching the > bird. I > > > >> have found that having loud groups taken to see roosting owls also > > > results > > > >> in them leaving an otherwise reliable roost. But as Roger Tory > Peterson > > > >> noted so long ago, Owls can otherwise be ridiculously tame and > > > >> approachable. 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