on the subject of adder, i'd like to congratulate him once again for tracking down a possible password-stealing-badguy and attempting to bring him to justice, he had to do all kinds of crazy tihs to accomplish this and in the end he found out that the badguy was just a goodguy having fun so fink-O decided to apologize by offering the puck-guy a unix account...wow, we love you adder oh yes we do and when you're not here our skies are blue. +spill